>PEACE IN "OUR" TIME..BY Dominique De Villepin.
>ThisIraqiguysayz

I gotta checkout ebay and amazon for this one!!!!

Did you hear the truly shocking news that AL-Durri, Iraq's UN representative, is headed to France!? Who would have thought...

He, no doubt, will be pampered and bathed in glory as a hero to humanity by the french. No less than a cabinet-level spot in the Chirac regime. Speaking of the Chirac regime, jack-a** Jacques should be a bit concerned if Saddam is still living.

If he can make it to Paris, he a shoe-in for the presidency there.



BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT





JK

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #777

Wanted: Position in Ministry of Information or Diplomatic core.Former Iraqi Minister of Information and Iraqi Foriegn Minister seeks postion in friendly country were people are gullible..and will believe anything.Country should be where we have made large payoffs to Goverment officals and corporate entities.
We would prefer France,our first choice..Russia or China..will consider also N.Korea.We are experienced in Pulling wool over the eyes of millions and or playing the UN as Fools..we can help you too! We both enjoy French wines and Russian Caviar..would like to locate in south of France..so we can be by so many of our friends.

Phone: 1-800-Ontherun

adress: No current adress
Mr. Sahaf & Mr. Aldouri

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #776

FOR SALE: FRENCH LITERATURE, Get such French classic's as "Psychosociology of interrogantion" in French and actually found in one of Saddam's torture chambers ONLY SLIGHTLY BLOOD STAINED. various other French best sellers include! "How to convert Humanitarian aid into Chemical weapons"..and that hot seller, "Saddam and Me"..By Jacque's Chirac..Other best sellers include! From Saddam's personal library..PEACE IN "OUR" TIME..BY Dominique De Villepin.
ThisIraqiguysayz

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #775

**NEWS FLASH**

The Moab is ready..the newest weapon in the US arsenal a 21,000 lb bomb Thats (10,500 klg for French readers)is now in Iraq.Pentagon officals commented that it would be used on any large formations of existing Republican guard or French Restaurants remaining in Iraq.
Thisguysayz

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #774

Notice to all french Mirage company shareholders:

Strongest sell recommendation possible.

Future of company and product. Below bleak. (No one will ever buy the 'you fly, you die' french "planes."


p.s. remember when they used to have that silly little air show in Paris every year?




JK

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #773

***NEWS FLASH***

Saddam Hussein, Uday, Kusay, and the french "monkey" havent been seen or heard from since last Sunday.

The "monkey" is reportedly hunkered down in a bunker with Hussein and his ultra special-uniquely skilled-extra good Republican guard units comprised mostly of armed french businessmen with unpaid Iraqi invoices for Mirage spare parts, WMD, and misc aid and comfort items.

Meanwhile in Paris, french prime minister Jacqes Chirac is adamantly demanding that all 195 countries on the planet pay more attention to france or their sovernity will be deemed illegitimate.

Breaking....




JK

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #772

Reply to ThisGuySays.

> I watched today as hundreds of Iraqi's in Baghdad and Dearborn took to the
> streets dancing and cheering..(Probably for some the first time ever they had
> danced)kissing shaking hands,Jubalent.They dragged down a statue of Saddam
> and kicked and beat the figure

Of course, the next thing you will hear is some self-righteous French asshole telling us that since the Iraqi's in Dearborn aren't acting in the French prescribed manner that they are all brain washed by U.S. culture, and the Iraqi's in Iraq, Baghdad and other cities, are being controlled by U.S. troops to act that way.

This same French asshole has the gall to wonder why I consider the French to be rude and ill-mannered.

I say our next stop should be to liberate the Ivory coast.

I was in Dearborn yesterday on business. They are quite happy. Many of them are estatic about being able to visit their friends, family, and relatives who will be free after such a long time of being under Saddam's thumb.

I see where Chirac is already making a bid for the UN to take the lead role in post-war Iraq. Yeah, like the UN did such a wonderful job in the Baltic that we would trust them with another job. Bush says it's not going to happen, but the UN will play a vital role.

I think that before this is all over, France, and her cohorts, are going to find that they've shot themselves in the foot over this issue.

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #771

I watched today as hundreds of Iraqi's in Baghdad and Dearborn took to the streets dancing and cheering..(Probably for some the first time ever they had danced)kissing shaking hands,Jubalent.They dragged down a statue of Saddam and kicked and beat the figure..and I welled a tear of happiness for them and it made me PROUD to be a AMERICAN.I wonder,it if had been left to the French..
would the people of Iraq EVER be free..or just working for French,Russian and Chinese Oil interests..while Saddam sucked the life blood out of the country.
We lost over 100 men to free a country of 40 million.Several thousand civilians got killed,But we saved the futures of Hundreds of thousands,perhaps Millions..a small price to pay.A price the French seem to have forgotton we paid for them at one time.So French readers,instead of throwing red paint and graffiti on war graves..why not go and put some flowers on their graves instead..they fought for your country too.
Thisguysayz

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #770

Let's start Operation Ivory Coast Liberation next. No more Blood for Chocolate mousse!

the little frogs are suppressing the human rights of the indigenous residents
to protect their chocolate monopolies.

If we can spare 30 or 40 marines for about an hour and a half, We can remove the duplistic, "highly cultured" 3,000 soldierly french cowards and rid the Ivory Coast of their oppressors.


With Iraq gone the french will have to replace their lost trading partner with Al-Quida. They're enemies now, but the best is yet to come for thses bastards.



JK

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #769

What planet is Chirac living on. Now demanding a key role for France and the UN in Iraq. His arrogant, yet pathetic and ludicrous posturing will only further reduce or elimante france's unearned role altogether from Post god-pal-Saddam's Iraq.

I do admire his bizarre and unbalanced mental hutspah, though. Charles de Gaulle would be proud of his impotent huffing, puffing and grandiloquent posturing.

Perhaps Equador, Greenland and Cuba should meet in Havana this weekend to determine the fate of former france ally Iraq;s fate, They have as much an illegitimate rate to try to dictate policy to the coalition.

I like frances new media policy of putting the comic strips on the front papers of their news media,


Boycott these leftist and gaullist french collasal idiots with a vengence!




JK

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #768

Here's an article from the al-jazeera english version of it's web site (arabic):

France worried over rise in anti-Americanism

Concern is mounting among French officials following the publication of a poll in the daily Le Monde which showed that 33 percent wanted America and Britain to lose the Iraq war and 25 percent made clear they were on Baghdad's side.

But 53 percent of them also hoped the United States and Britain would defeat President Saddam Hussein.

The result of the Ipsos poll led politicians to warn opponents of war not to protest more strongly against Washington than Baghdad.



Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin called on the French not to forget the United States is an ally of long standing while the Iraqi leader is a dictator.



His spokesman Jean-Francois Cope on Wednesday issued the government's third clarifying statement in as many days, insisting Paris wanted to see the Iraqi leader defeated.



France's stand favouring war as the final option has badly strained relations with Washington.



"Just because we're against this war doesn't mean we want dictatorship to defeat democracy," Raffarin said on Monday to kick off the series of public statements. "We are in the democratic camp. The Americans are not enemies."




France has been in a difficult position. It is leading countries in the anti-war camp, whether by desire or default and at the same time trying not to burn bridges with a superpower ally it will have to work with after the war.



Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin added to the confusion in London last week when, after giving a speech on France's position, he declined to answer directly a question about whether Paris backed Washington or Baghdad.



His spokesman later said Paris was outraged to see British media attacking Villepin's answer as ambiguous, saying it was clear France wanted the United States and Britain to win. -- Al Jazeera with agencies



Sibel Libelus the III

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #767

That is because when it's convienent france always has cozy relationships
with shiek dressing Dictators who can Parle' vous for Arms and Money,ask any African Dictator! and if things get a little hot..and the Natives start demanding Democracy..we'll just send in some of our "Peace Keepers"..wink wink. "It's not a coincidence France left NATO 30 years ago..Is there Democracy in France? They've been trying to get it right for over 200 years..lets see which Republic is it now? the 7th? 8th? Maybe it's time for another NEW REPUBLIC..France and it's people have clearly demonstrated..its NO ALLY..and are NOT to be trusted.
France UmakemePuke

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #766

>"Ok, answer me this then. France helped destroy the effectiveness of the League of Nations in 1936 when it countered England's attempt to halt the threat posed by Italy's invasion of Ethiopia. It showed the dictatorial regimes of that time, that there is no penalty involved if it goes against the combined will of the League of Nations. How? Because France made certain that there was NO combined will of nations. Likewise, in today's historical events, France has chosen to prove to dictators, that there is no penalty involved for not only invading other nations, but refusing to obey simple International law."

Hal, you're right on point here.

I think a lot of Americans might want to give the UN another try if France wasnt
included. Why throw the baby out with the bath water? The UN may make some relevance if France is rather rudely left out.




JK

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #765

Bernard -

Thanks for your comment. I'm glad you're not buying into the obsolete,
contrarian, false-hubris Gaullism of the "monkey." It's laughable. It's
almost as accurate as Al Jazzerah.

When the French grow out of their current gaullist, preadolecent, petulance, they will re-earn the respect of the US.



JK

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #764

It's not rewarding to talk with fundamentalists. Xenophobia has always been used by demagogue politicians. France is your current target, but I realized it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. I've seen here how much your French-bashing is irrational. Tomorrow, it will be another country or religion or race, or whatever.
It makes me proud if my country is a target of crazy religous fundamentalists and demagogues. Because they hate the values of French revolution. It's no big deal.

Bernard:
Don't listen to him, go on criticizing us. His position is one of ultra-minority. Madelin? No surprise he likes Bush. His politics has always been "money, money! What's good for industry is good for the country". Around 2% of the voters? Pff. And I think you're a liar: "this totalitarian breakdown and with the corruption which is crushing our country". You don't vote Madelin, you vote LePen more probably.

"american management has a 20 years advance" That's the best reason to make a war I've ever read!!!

"You can use this letter to show that there are french people with a high university and business school level who totally support our american old friends". You are an arrogant moron. Diplomas had never made someone right. You can't just throw your diplomas at the face of other people as a proof of your intelligence.
"how american culture with contract, confidence and transparency is far better than french schizophrenic culture." Get out of your office and visit le Louvre or Beaubourg.

Profitability is not a scale for culture, nor for freedom, nor for democracy.

12 monkeys

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #763

It's not rewarding to talk with fundamentalists. Xenophobia has always been used by demagogue politicians. France is your current target, but I realized it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. I've seen here how much your French-bashing is irrational. Tomorrow, it will be another country or religion or ra
12 monkeys

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #762

Oh..1 Canadian Lady..thanks..They did find Russian weapons,including Chemical weapon's delivery (artillery)shells of a "New style"(Post 1991)a 3 nozzle type not yet ever seen.Hussian in Jordan has been has been pro-western for a long time and did allow US special forces in his country during this war,better then France did.He went to Harvard and those weapons found more then likely are old.

I would like to add to my comment below..In those morgues in the article below..they didn't mention the Blood stains floors in the adjacent torture rooms..and the meat hooks which hung from the ceilings..that they also found.
I don't think they were for "RosBeef's" ..French readers.


Oil lickin' French Monkey
also known as Thisguysayz
Oil lickin' french Monkey

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #761

Remains of hundreds found in 'morgue' Apr 5 2003
By Vanessa Allen, in southern Iraq

The remains of hundreds of people were discovered today by British soldiers in a "makeshift morgue" in southern Iraq.An Iraqi exile group issued a chilling warning that the discovery may be the first of many, exposing the "brutality" of Saddam Hussein's regime.The skulls, bundles of bone in strips of military uniform, were dumped in plastic bags and unsealed hardboard coffins in an abandoned Iraqi military bae on the outskirts of Al Zubayr.

It was impossible to say how long the remains had lain there but the discovery will now be investigated by forensic specialists as possible evidence of atrocities perpetrated by the Iraqi regime."This shows the brutality of the Iraqi regime," said Ahmed Shames, chairman of the Iraqi Prospect Organisation, a group set up by exiles from Iraq.Mr Shames said he believed the bodies were those of people who had fought for freedom against Saddam and were killed in uprisings.

He added: "I am afraid this may be the first of many of these morgues."

The coffins were stacked five deep in a warehouse, and a neighbouring building contained apparent cells and catalogues of photographs of the dead, most of whom had died from gunshot wounds to the head.
Others were mutilated beyond recognition, their faces burned and swollen in the faded black and white photographs.Outside stood what one soldier described as "a purpose-built shooting gallery".A tiled foot-high plinth stood in a courtyard, with the brickwork behind it riddled with bullets.

Inside the warehouse, one of the bags and coffins contained an identity card written in Arabic, while military webbing and boot soles were visible in others.
The discovery was made early today by officers from the 3rd Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, who moved their AS90 guns to the location last night.

Captain Jack Kemp said he believed there were more than 200 coffins, with as many more plastic bags filled with the remains.He went into the building as part of a security check to make sure the area was safe for his troops.
"The first thing I was greeted by was approximately 200 makeshift coffins," said the 40-year-old from Fraddam, near Newquay, Cornwall.

"I wouldn't like to speculate, but the bones inside are obviously years old."

Each coffin carried an inscription in Arabic, perhaps the identity of the person inside, and the bags were scrawled on with marker pen. Some of the paperwork appeared to date the "morgue" to around 1985.Only Capt Kemp and two of his soldiers went into the building before it was sealed as a mass grave, to be examined by the forensics specialists later.

Pathologists will carry out post mortem examinations and stand a good chance of being able to identify the victims, said Dr Bill Hunt, a retired forensic pathologist who was involved in the examination of mass graves in Bosnia in 1996 and 1997.

"They will be able to say approximately the age of the victims, and to say what sex they were, and how tall they were," he said."These days DNA is also very important - it can be checked against personal possessions or the DNA of relatives.

"Comparison of teeth with dental records is also very useful - if records are available in Iraq."Dr Hunt said investigators may be able to work out who killed them, possibly leading to war crimes trials.

One of the first steps would be to X-ray bones and skulls to find bullets or fragments of metal which would help ascertain how the victims died.
Dr Hunt said: "The traditional method of execution, a bullet in the back of the head, is less common now - in a lot of military executions they just spray them with an AK-47. By collecting the bullets, one can say what type of weapon was used.

"If it is possible to compare the bullet with the weapon, one can say what actual weapon was used."Mr Shames said the names in Arabic on the coffins led him to believe the mass grave was full of people opposed to the regime.

"This is an area that has seen several uprisings against the regime," he said.
"There are tens of thousands of people unaccounted for in south Iraq."

Mr Shames said the dead would include "a significant number" of anti-Saddam activists along with innocent civilians caught up in the troubles.
"Until now we have just had reports of these morgues," he said.
"It is quite probable that more will be found."

my conclusion,
If you opposed this War..your "FOR" what happened above,sounds distinctly like Nazi Germany..This is what France wanted to continue..while their Oil companies continued on their merry way and the French Fat cats shoved petro dollars into Chirac's pockets.Just read my posts below.It was refreshing to read from posts below, that all the French haven't completely lost there minds.

The end is near Saddam..Just Kill yourself in your German made bunker(The same
German company made Hitlers by the way,REALLY)and use a French gun!

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/iraq040303/page.cfmobjectid=12814074&method=full&siteid=50082

Oil lickin' French Monkey

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #760

I'm sitting here watching CNN and I see a piece on weapons caches found in Bagdad. The soldier on TV explains what each pile is and then they discuss where these weapons and ammo originated from. Guess who? Only two countries names appear on the boxes...

Jordan and France...

I've been watching this message board for a month not really taking it seriously but now I've lost a serious amount of respect for France. Jordan I expect to help Saddam but France!!?? Thousands of men lost their lives in two World Wars so that France could sell muntions to Iraq?

France better hope there never comes a time that they need our help again. The Free World may not rush over there to save Terrorism's favorite arms dealers.

Being a Canadian, the sad thing is our French Prime Minister didn't join the coalition. Unfortunately no one ever asks us what we think. There are, however, many Canadians that do support the coalition and are glad to see Saddam get the boot.

I am one of them.

1 Canadian Lady


1 Canadian Lady

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #759

Jacque Chirac is in my opinion a biggest threat to the EU. His position of non-support for the Unites States action in Iraq is intolerable. Chirac knows that the complicity of french companies aiding and abetting the development of WMD will soon see the light of day. Whether sold through brokers or directly, Chirac is dirty! His attempt to manipulate public opinion will backfire, and when the US pulls out of the UN, France will once again be the timid, effeminate, tourist stop that the Germans conquered in the 40's. It's presumed position as a world power will once again be seen by the world as it truly is weak. Willing to deal with the devil to make a buck and save its ass!
Thank you,
cj

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #758

site www.multimania.com/killerapps/solidaires.html

4/3/2003


Richard PERLE
Defense Policy Board
White House



Sir

I am french. I saw you yesterday evening on France 3 TV.

I appreciate Clancy's books I read in english. When I was 10 years I was reading the story of Enterprise carrier, Bataan, Midway and Douglas SBD Dauntless, Tarawa, Guadalcanal, Yamamoto’s shooting, Bong and Mac Guire, Malta battle with Beurling, Mustangs and Scherf’s hunting on Mosquito over Germany (Germany should keep a low profile too), French Free Forces with Saint-Exupéry, Clostermann, Maridor, Marin la Meslée, Guedj.

I do support the USA and I apologize for my country. My vote was for Alain Madelin America's friend, not for Chirac.

This morning the national newspaper Le Figaro page 14 is saying France is becoming a totalitarian country with 1/3 for Saddam Hussein's victory. It's just awfull.

It would be good that French people who disagree totally with this totalitarian breakdown and with the corruption which is crushing our country may become political refugees in USA, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand, like german and italian university teachers in 1933-1939.

P.Baudry in Berkeley www.pbaudry.com shows how american culture with contract, confidence and transparency is far better than french schizophrenic culture.

My website about knowledge management, www.multimania.com/killerapps/mapage.html (in english at the end), shows that american management has a 20 years advance.

My website about french corruption is on www.multimania.com/killerapps/solidaires.html (in english shorter on www.angelfire.com/falcon/corruption ).

I do apologize for France. It’s a nightmare for America’s friends only one year after september 2001. We are free because american, english, australian guys gave their lives for us during nearly a century.

You can use this letter to show that there are french people with a high university and business school level who totally support our american old friends. Congo, Tchad, Turkey (Kurdistan must be free), Irak, Russia, China are not democratic countries. French republican democrats can’t mate with crimes against humanity.

Best regards.

Bernard REYNAUD
CPA 90-91 french executive development program, world 17th for the Financial Times


copy : Blair, Howard, Chirac, Madelin, Bayrou, Seillère.



Corruption in France

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #757

Funny!

http://www.ucomics.com/cgi-bin/sendtoafriend/getpostcard.cgi?site_ref=ucomics&MsgID=51751bcd2fb3eeeda08e3d92eca0c9a7

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #756

Why are French streets tree-lined? So the Germans can march in the shade.

How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? No one knows. It's never
been done.

What do you call 100,000 Frenchmen with their hands up? The army.

How many gears does a French tank have? Five, four in reverse and one
forward (in case of attack from behind).

FOR SALE: French rifles . . . never fired, only dropped once.

"The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found
truffles in Iraq."

"The French are always reticent to surrender to the wishes of their friends,
but they are always more than willing to surrender to the wishes of their enemies."


That last one is more than a joke. It's shrewd commentary. It captures why
the French make such poor allies. When they pulled out of NATO 40 years ago
and declared Americans must close down their bases in France, Secretary of
State Dean Rusk had a bitterly caustic response: "Should we dig up the graves of American soldiers in Normandy, too, and take them home?" No
French answer was recorded.



John Mel

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #755

France For Sale !

Yes, If you are a ruthless Dictator, Tyrant or simple Thug in need of a country to rule, you too can own France for the right price!

Although, ultimately having its ass saved by the armed forces of the United States and Great Britain in World Wars I and II, France suffered extensive losses in its empire, wealth, manpower, and rank as a dominant nation-state. Nevertheless, France today is one of the most cowardly countries in the world and is a leader in selling out to the world dictators. Since 1958, it has constructed a presidential democracy resistant to all common sense and reality. Presently, France is at the forefront of European states seeking to promote Communism and provides a haven for exiled terrorist Dictators or Dicks for short. After all of the hard, dangerous work and sacrifice of other nations, France will step in to help with the clean up efforts and is more than willing to take all of the credit for making improvements in world security and peace.

When danger reared its ugly head, France turned its tail and fled. Brave, brave France.

France lies in the area of Western Europe, bordering the Bay of Biscay and English Channel, between Belgium and Spain, southeast of the UK; bordering the Mediterranean Sea, between Italy and Spain, totaling some 547,030 sq km. With its many villas and chateau's to choose from and moderate climate, France is the perfect country to which the scum of human life may freely migrate.

For more information, contact: Jacques Chirac, (A.K.A., Jackass Iraq) or his butt buddy, Saddam (Sodomy) Hussein at: dickheads@franceforsale.com and provide them with your highest bid. France also has weapons of mass destruction available to the highest bidder or will help you develop such weapons, regardless of your evil intent for its use.
France, where personal profit outweighs world security or peace.

Remember, its better to have your enemy in front of you, than to have France behind you.

USA

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #754

German Chancellor Backs Removal Of Saddam!

http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=7&aid=D7Q61NBO0_story


Click Here

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #753

EU Commission takes France to European court

08-05-01 "The European Commission is taking France to the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg for delaying the opening up of its natural gas market to competition, according to a commission source. The commission alleges France has fallen behind in integrating a European directive on liberalising gas markets into national legislation.

A June 1998 directive called on European Union members to open at least 20 % of their gas markets to competition. "Not only were we not advised (of France's measures to comply), but there are no prospects for that to be done," said the source, recalling that France was due to have furnished the information to the commission by last August. The commission has already given France two formal warnings for non-compliance"

I wonder why? funny that France has controlling (stock shares)interests in
many of the Oil & gas industies still.Cronyism and corruption is rampant.
France has relationships with 19 African dictators..of which the continue to ship arms too.Natually french troops sent to these countries are often sent under the Guise of Peace keepers..but in actuality..they are regime keepers.
IE Central African Republic.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nte12299.htm

Oil licking french Monkey

click here

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #752

Paris court begins long-awaited hearings into post-war sleaze scandal
22-01-01 A former French foreign minister and intimate of the late president François Mitterrand appears in the dock as a Paris court begins long-awaited hearings into France's biggest post-war sleaze scandal. Roland Dumas, who resigned last year as France's highest legal authority, is charged, along with his former mistress Christine Deviers-Joncour; the one-time boss of the oil giant Elf-Aquitaine, Loik le Floch Prigent and four others, with complicity in the misuse of Elf funds.
Alfred Sirven, a former director of Elf Aquitaine International and allegedly Mr Le Floch Prigent's chief fixer and bagman, has been caught hiding in the Philippines and will be heard soon. Like the others, he risks a £ 250,000 fine and up to five years in prison.
The trial of Mr Dumas, which coincides with an investigation into illicit Mitterrand-era arms-trafficking in Africa allegedly involving the late president's son, will throw a cruel new light on the shadowy, semi-legal dealings and institutionalised corruption that flourished under France's first Socialist president.

Dubbed by one newspaper "the prince of intrigue in François Mitterrand's palace", Mr Dumas -- the highest-ranking figure to be tried for such offences in France -- is accused of benefiting from the staggering £250 mm Elf spent in the early 1990s on furthering its own interests and those of the late president at home and abroad.
The trial, which is expected to last four weeks, will revolve around the sums paid by Elf to Ms Deviers-Joncour in expenses, salary and commissions -- an alleged total of £ 6.45 mm -- between 1989 and 1993, in exchange for what the prosecution claims was a non-existent job.
Mr Dumas, 78, is accused of using his position as foreign minister to ensure his mistress was hired by Elf, and subsequently, of profiting from the money the company gave her to lobby him over the controversial sale of six frigates to Taiwan by another state-controlled firm, Thompson, in 1991. Elf allegedly promised Thompson, in exchange for a share of the profits, to use its influence as an unofficial arm of government to help push through the sale, which was opposed by China and, to begin with, by Mr Dumas himself - before he inexplicably changed his mind.
The affaire des fregates is currently the focus of an altogether separate investigation, one of six probes under way into the many-tentacled Elf scandal that have so far seen more than 20 people placed under formal investigation. Among the cast of characters accused or suspected of benefiting from Elf's largesse in varying aspects of the case are Mitterrand's golf partner and doctor Laurent Raillard, the former Gaullist interior minister Charles Pasqua, Françoise Sagan, the author of Bonjour Tristesse, and up to a dozen former Elf employees.

To help her in her lobbying, Elf allegedly furnished Ms Deviers-Joncour with a company credit line of £20,000 a month and £1.7 mm flat on the exclusive Left Bank rue de Lille, which witnesses say Mr Dumas routinely used for lavish parties. According to the investigating magistrates, Eva Joly and Laurence Vichnievsky, she bought her lover Mr Dumas extravagant gifts with Elf's cash, including a pair of bespoke Italian shoes costing £1,110 and five antique statues for £26,400.
Mr Dumas has been unable to explain the millions of francs that appeared on his bank balance during the early 1990s, but he has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, insisting that he was unaware where the money or gifts came from - a claim investigators argue simply cannot be true. "It is easier to crush me than to investigate the role of France itself, which benefited greatly from this subtle game of shadows and light, which I inherited but did not start or gain from," Mr Dumas said.
Three main players in the Elf corruption saga Roland Dumas Now 78, Mr Dumas was twice foreign minister and, until 1999, president of the constitutional council, the highest legal body in the land. He was one of François Mitterrand's oldest, most loyal companions; theirs was a friendship that began in the early post-war years.

Silver-haired, dapper, brilliant, charming and cultured, as a lawyer he was for 20 years one of the stars of the Paris bar, representing the likes of Matisse and Giacometti. He was also the executor of Picasso's will, and played a prominent role in returning the painter's masterpiece, Guernica, to Spain. His main defence is that he is being used to bury all that remains of Mitterrandism.
Christine Deviers-Joncour The former mistress of Roland Dumas is alleged to have been paid more than £6 mm to lobby her lover on behalf of Elf. The former lingerie model is now a regular figure on television talk shows and has published three books telling her side of the story, one unambiguously entitled The Whore of the Republic.
An elegant twice-married 53-year-old, Ms Deviers-Joncour's principal means of defence in her often confused testimony has been to counter-attack, claiming that she is now a reformed character engaged in a bitter fight against political corruption and the Gallic penchant for high-level cover-ups.
The president of Elf Aquitaine from 1989 to 1993, former head of the then state-owned chemicals company Rôhne-Poulenc and subsequently, the head of SNCF, the French railways company, was once a civil service high-flyer who has persistently denied doing anything more than acting in accordance with an agreement worked out with Mitterrand.
He claims that the president knew of and tolerated such deals. "I'm being made a scapegoat," he said. Nonetheless, he will be asked to explain how he came to charge his company credit card for £ 6,800 worth of CDs in a single afternoon.


French Oil licking Monkey

The "moral" of the story

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #751

for that article below..


http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nte04871.htm
Oil licking French Monkey

No French blood for Oil

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #750

Alexander OIl and Gas(French)pledge help to Iraq(Saddam)

French oil companies pledge to help Iraqi counterparts
05-11-00 Major French oil companies are pledging to help their Iraqi counterparts with high-tech solutions to increase the amount of recoverable oil from existing fields and improve the quality of refined products. Spurred by their country's support for Iraq in its fight against UN trade sanctions, French oil companies are confident about business prospects that will be available to them once the sanctions imposed for Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait are lifted.
The Iraqi oil industry is still recovering from damage inflicted during the 1991 Gulf War, with repairs progressing slowly under restrictions of the UN sanctions. The country's own efforts to increase production have stumbled because of a lack of spare parts and equipment.
TotalFinaElf, one of more than 100 French firms participating in the annual Baghdad International Fair, is near agreement with the Iraqis to develop two fields, one of them believed to be among the largest in the world. Combined, the two fields are estimated to hold more than 35 bn barrels of oil, more than three times the company's proven reserves to date.

In addition to striking deals, representatives from the French oil industry said they were discussing with their Iraqi partners ways to improve oil recovery from existing fields. Claude Gadelle, deputy director of the influential French Petroleum Institute, said French oil extraction technology could help Iraq increase by nearly 30 % its oil output capacity of 3.4 mm bpd. "We have developed new technologies that will make it very easy, and relatively cheap to improve recovery from wells which have been discovered and those to be discovered," he said.
Iraq sits on the world's second-largest oil reserves. Under modifications to the sanctions made over the years, the country can export as much oil as it chooses provided the proceeds are monitored by the United Nations to ensure use only for humanitarian goods, war reparations and spare parts to revamp the oil industry.
Iraq has the right to allocate $ 1.2 bn from its UN-monitored oil revenues every year to rehabilitate the oil sector. French oil executives said prospects for business even within the current limits are bright. Jean-Jacques Royant of the Oil and gas Industry French Suppliers Council said French firms have decided "to fight" to have the UN curbs on foreign investment in Iraq's oil industry removed. "We are not politicians, but we will try to fight. At our level, we will try to work out something," he said.

copy and paste link
Iraq..http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nte04871.htm
Oil lickin' French Monkey

No Blood for Oil

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #749

The Chirac-Total Fina conection,did you know Jacque's Chirac received over 30 Million dollars US..paid by French Oil concerns..to his re-election campain which operated out Iraq(Saddam)

Read the story..copy and paste

http://www.canada.com/news/story.asp?id=%7BB41FA5AD-2132-428B-B3AB-C2E0B54D5620%7D
French Conspiracy Monkey

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #748

copy and paste to browser

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/1996/06/F.RU.96060714352841.html
French Conspirarcy Monkey

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #747

Excerpt:

"France, which 30 years ago withdrew from NATO's integrated military command structure in resentment over what it saw as U.S. dominance, is now preparing to expand its cooperation with the alliance."

"The Suddeutsche Zeitung carries today this commentary by Stefan Kornelius:
"(NATO's) wheel turns full circle to the last area of confusion -- the international integration of France and its role in NATO. The reform of the command structure agreed at the NATO Summit in Berlin is explained by the French desire to return to the 'new alliance.' But there is a lack of clarity about how the reform is to be implemented. Before the summit the sticking points between France and the United States in particular were so numerous that the German delegation, in the role of mediator, noted resignedly that compromise on structural reform had been so hard to reach that there was hardly a sound basis for the next steps.... Once more the fact is that France's aims are not really clear, the cards are not on the table...."

Well ..I think its becoming clearer what exactly the French cards are today.
Maybe the fact the Saddams regime changed the payment method from dollars to Euro's has "deeper implications"..then just a change in the way business is carried out..Conspiracy? would this not force others to buy Euros as well?
It's not a secret that Germans resented the acceptence of the Euro over their more powerful Mark..and that their strong economy Props up the Euro..and that the British rejected it outright.Interesting that those that support the US lead invasion of Iraq ..Poland,Cezch republic,Ukraine, Britian,Denmark,
Hungary,etc..all had once felt the heel of dictatorial regimes crushing the backs of their people..or have fought it.

French resentment and feelings of inadeqacy are ingrained in the french conciousness.It's also no secret..that France over the past 12 years have tried to push though a end to the embargo that restricted sales of weaponry and technology to Iraq,without Iraq conforming to UN resolutions...why was that do you suppose that? French had a good deal going with the Saddam regime..even last year French companies had the 3rd largest contingent in Iraq at a trade show held in Baghdad.The French admire their Dictators..as long as there is a cozy economic relationship...

communist/socialist goverment's in the security counscil..

1:France:Large socialist forces in goverment.. Euro..(cozying up to Russia)French Frank..pitiful
2:China:Hardline communist party..dying(free market is prevailing despite rehtoric)makes trade agrrements in past year with France.
3:Russia..fence sitter(resentments of loss of cold war)ex KGB leader in power..Putin.(needs hard currency)..not rubles.

........................................
Britian:Moderate labor forces in Britian
Prime minister in Labor party.stays with strong(L)pound.
USA:strong dollar in europe

Conspiracy theroy..France,Russia,China use positions in UN security conscil to negate wishs of US and british concerning Iraq and perhaps future UN positions regarding hostilities and their resolutions.Keep cozy relationships with dictatorial regimes(Africa Included)..getting big fat contracts..paid in Euros..increasing the Euro's power versus the dollar.Lessing US and British stature and influence in conflict resolution..and lowering the dollar.Russia with her large oil reserves(Caucus region')..Has/or to make large contracts with French Oil companies.(Controls european oil markets between the two.)

French Conspriacy Monkey

Nato's Restructuring

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #746

FRANCE'S RESPECT FOR WAR DEAD WHO FOUGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY:

April 02, 2003

One in three French wants Saddam to win

The London Times
By Charles Bremner and Alan Hamilton

ILL-FEELING between Britain and France over the invasion of Iraq has plumbed
new depths with the desecration of that most sacred of memorials, a war
cemetery.

The defilement of Commonwealth war graves in northern France coincided with
a poll for The Times which found that 54 per cent of Britons no longer
regarded France as a close ally because of its opposition to the war.

Relations will be further rent by a second poll, in Le Monde, showing that
only a third of the French felt that they were on the same side as the
Americans and British, and that another third desired outright Iraqi victory
over “les anglo-saxons”.

Eleven thousand Allied soldiers lie buried in well-tended peace at Etaples,
on the Channel coast near Le Touquet, victims of the struggle by
Anglo-Saxons to liberate the French from the German invaders during the
First World War.

Last week the obelisk raised in their memory was defiled by red-painted
insults such as “Rosbeefs go home”; “May Saddam prevail and spill your
blood”; and, in a reference to the long-dead casualties beneath the
manicured turf, “They are soiling our land”.

Local gendarmerie have launched an inquiry, but have so far found no clues.
They say there had been no significant demonstrations against the war in
that area of France.

The graffiti have been scrubbed off, but the incident has provoked outrage
among British politicians, war graves staff and the few remaining relatives
of those buried at Etaples. French politicians have joined the condemnation.

Michael Ancram, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, described the incident as a
disgrace, saying that if the soldiers buried there had not liberated France,
“those vandals would not be enjoying the freedom that they are so badly
abusing today”.

Bruce George, Labour chairman of the Commons Defence Committee, said:
“Remembering what sacrifice these men made for the liberation of France, I
cannot believe any mature, sane person would be so stupid as that.” Britain
and France might have differences, but “we need to get a grip on these
malevolent and childish gestures”.

David Uffold, 63, a Shropshire farmer, is the only surviving relative of
Rifleman Frederick Uffold of the London Regiment, who is buried at Etaples.
“I find it sickening that anyone would vandalise the cemetery; it is a
futile and ridiculous act,” he said. “It is the last place they should be
protesting about Iraq. These fellows were drafted in to fight for France. I
can’t see any connection between the men buried at Etaples and the war in
Iraq.”

Peter Francis, of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, said he was
“dismayed and disgusted” that a place remembering those who died defending
freedom in world wars long ago should be dragged into a current political
debate. “The French authorities have also expressed their shock and anger
and have begun regular security checks at the cemetery,” he said.

French politicians did their best to portray the desecration as an isolated
act, but it nonetheless underlined anti-American and anti-British emotions
running through France over what is seen there as a bungled invasion rapidly
turning into a humanitarian disaster.

President Chirac’s spokesman said: “We are indignant and shocked by the
desecration of the graves of soldiers from allied countries who fought for
our liberty.”

Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the Prime Minister, sought to cool the hostility
towards the US — and to a lesser extent Britain — by cautioning against “all
forms of anti-Americanism”. The French must not be confused about the
identity of the enemy, he said. “The Americans are not the enemy; just
because we are against this war, it does not mean that we want the victory
of dictatorship over democracy.”

Jeff in DC

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #745

Racist attacks leave two dead in France

LILLE, Oct 5: Two teenagers of North African origin were killed and three other youths wounded here on Friday. Shouting "Watch out! I'll kill you all!", a masked gunman shot dead a 17-year-old boy of North African origin and wounded three youths in two apparently racist attacks in the northern port of Dunkirk on Friday evening, police said on Saturday.

In a separate attack, a 17-year-old girl of North African origin was burned alive on Friday in a Paris suburb, apparently by violent youths who haunt the bleak, low-cost housing projects there.

Raffarin denounced the attacks, saying: "This is a killing inspired by racism and intolerance. France cannot put up with this."

Speaking during a visit to the Grand Mosque in Paris, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy observed a minute of silence with his Muslim audience - most of them also of North African Arab origin - and vowed to fight racism vigorously.-Reuters

"French intergration at work"

http://www.dawn.com/2002/10/06/int13.htm



Thisguysayz

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #744

PDF Document racism.pdf
EXCERPT : from racial minorities suspected of crimes are disproportionately at risk of being victims of excessive use of force by state officials. In France, for example, people of non-European appearance, particularly if they are young men, appear to be at far greater risk of being shot by police than young
http://www.amnesty.ca/library/racism.pdf 09/06/02, 648746 bytes

1 intergation Monkey..Hoo Hoo Hee Hee Ha ha

Thisguysayz

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #743

RACISM, 2002 figures

USA: 280,000,000 people - 1,559 anti-Jewish incidents
France: 60,000,000 people - 193 anti-Jewish incidents
I computed that the per-capita anti-Jewish crime rate is 1.73 times higher in USA! With 4.66 times more inhabitants you would have "only" 900 incidents if you were French (which would still be 900 times too much, I agree).

Conclusion: Americans are nearly twice as anti-semitic as French!

Drop the stereotypes, look at the figures.

Sources:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030328.wfran0328/BNStory/International/?query=racism
http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/4243_12.asp

Another link of interest:
http://www.amnesty.ca/library/1999/amr5152.htm

12 anti-racist monkeys

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #742

Saddam again.. The lighter side of Saddam
Thisguysayz

Saddam Cartoons

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #741

Blundering, ignorant of Western (though not Arab) history, largely uneducated, an original Tikriti corner-boy whose first political act was an attempted assassination and an escape, wounded, into the desert; how did he do it? How come the man who defied George Bush senior is still there to defy George Bush junior? How come, 10 years after the "mother of all battles" – a phrase typical of Saddam – and 10 years after UN sanctions that have killed at least a million Iraqis, Saddam is still enjoying his palaces and cigars?

The French are a clue. They idolised Saddam in the late Seventies. He was feted on his arrival at Orly, dined out by the Mayor of Paris (a certain M Chirac), swamped with champagne as he watched a bull-running circus in central France. For the French, he was a kind of Jacobin, the reformer-turned-extremist whose reign of terror had a power all its own. Saddam's "red revolution" was always rubber-stamped by the democratic mockeries of Iraq – he asked the Kurds of a northern Iraqi town if he should hang Bazoft and their cries of affirmation doomed the correspondent – but somehow, in a crazed way, it was modern and
progressive. Iraq's hospitals and medical care were on a par with Europe, women's rights were rigorously enforced, religious insurrection was suppressed in blood.

And he was – and is – a very intelligent man. When I first saw him, in 1978, he was espousing the merits of nuclear power, of binary fission (technology courtesy of his beloved France). Self-confident, quoting from Arab poets and writers, replying to foreign journalists who snapped at him, with humour and history. Asked, in view of his little speech, about the danger of nuclear weapons proliferation, he replied: "Ah, you must not ask me about
Israel's 250 warheads in the Negev desert – you must ask the Israelis!" He always wore a massive wrap-around jacket with too many buttons, but his shirts and shoes were always the latest in Paris fashion.

1 saddam Monkey

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #740

A going out party for iraqi women..BYOC...bring your own coffin.

For you cut and paste people


http://mywebpage.netscape.com/kurdistanobserve/30-12-00-saddam-last-tyrant.html
Thisguysayz

BYOC

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #739

Iraqi Voice's......
Thisguysayz

Iraqi Voices here

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #738

I see what happens. This site seems to truncate urls that are long. The link for you cut and pasters is.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030328.wfran0328/BNStory/International/?query=racism

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #737

Let's see if I have better luck.


Racism In France.

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #736

one last time..if it doesn't take you directly to the page,just type "Racism" in the (Canadian)globe and Mail search site box..it's there on TOP..Racism flourish's in France, March 28th,2003 article
Thisguysayz

Racism in France

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #735

Try posting that link again..


http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030328.wfran0328/BNStory/International/
Thisuysayz

Racism in France

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #734

> I heard some really good news today Jimbo..after the Saddam regime has
> fallen ..Iraqi dissident groups are of the opinion that French oil company
> contracts and other french contracts should be cancelled as a result of
> Frances support of Saddam and contributing to the misery of the Iraqi
> people.

Good!

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #733

12 intergration Idiotic Monkey's..From what I can see,France is the one famous for "internment camps".France Finally loosened its restrictions on the
"refuguee" camps in Callis and Iraqi's couldn't retain their excitement to be leaving Callis for Britian.>as long as they are hard working> Monkeys..well at least we allow them to work.Oh and yes we had intermnet camps in WWII..But at least we didn't ship them off to DEATH CAMPS like France did.How often doe's you inconcious betray you? I might add that there are far most incident of Racially motivated attacked in France per capita then in the US..over 350 in France alone just last year..Mainly anti-jewish anti-Algerian.I might add that France and Germany are Tightening Immigration in a attempt to protect their ???...I heard some really good news today Jimbo..after the Saddam regime has fallen ..Iraqi dissident groups are of the opinion that French oil company contracts and other french contracts should be cancelled as a result of Frances support of Saddam and contributing to the misery of the Iraqi people..Bon Appetite'

Racism In France Flourish's

Thusguyz

Egailty Fratenity Freedom

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #732

> Those Iraqis are just a proof to me that the American melting pot is still
> effective. In France, people originating from Iraq or more generally the
> Maghreb have a very different point of view about the situation. Since they
> are not all very well integrated in French society, I think that if they hail > Chirac's position it's because it's how they feel, not to be "a good French".

You know, the more I think of your insulting response, the angrier I get. You really are a self-righteous bastard, do you know that?

Farewell, may you be happy in your delusions.

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #731

> Sure, those feelings can not (and should not) be over-simplified.

He says as he goes on to over-simplify their feelings.

> However, the fact that they are safe in the USA is probably a factor in the
> equation anyways.

They are safe in the U.S. (And France, and England, etc..) because they were not safe in Iraq. Which is the point.

Tell me, how many of your Iraqi immigrants in France, a number close to half a million if memory serves, are protesting against the war? How do they feel? Obviously they wouldn't be subject to all this conspiracy and brainwashing that you accuse us of. Surely your Iraqi citizens would be anxious to please Chirac, and be out protesting in the streets according to your integration factor theory, right?

One of the things I've always liked and admired about our Arab population in the area I live in is that they've never been afraid to express their view on any issue, even when that opinion is unpopular with the people around them. Your theory that they would suddenly knuckle under and be silent is ridiculous and insulting in the extreme.

Sometimes an apple is just an apple, no matter how you peel and slice it.

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #730

Jimbo:
>No, but many of their relatives are, and they are very worried. Your attempt
>to belittle their feelings on the matter is reprehensible.
Sure, those feelings can not (and should not) be over-simplified. However, the fact that they are safe in the USA is probably a factor in the equation anyways.
Other factors to consider:
- USA government propaganda
- Integration factor. This one should not be under-estimated. They have to proove to their fellow Americans that all Iraqi people are not bad. They have to proove that they are "nice, hard-working people". It seems that nowadays, being a good American is to be pro-war (and possibly pro-Bush), and not to "voice their freedom of speech". They probably *have* to be more royalist than the king. Otherwise they would grow suspicion: are they part of a fifth column? Maybe it would be safer to intern them in camps until the war is over? It would not be the first time, would it?
Those Iraqis are just a proof to me that the American melting pot is still effective. In France, people originating from Iraq or more generally the Maghreb have a very different point of view about the situation. Since they are not all very well integrated in French society, I think that if they hail Chirac's position it's because it's how they feel, not to be "a good French".

12 integration monkeys

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #729

> They don't have any risk of being "collateral dammage", do they?


No, but many of their relatives are, and they are very worried. Your attempt to belittle their feelings on the matter is reprehensible.

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #728

Had much work to do these past days. Lots of messages, so short answers to each

Yellow "MacCarthy" Rose:
>I'm appalled at the number of Americans that are protesting and voicing
>their "freedom of speech" [...] If you don't like the U.S., please leave. We
>don't want you here anymore!
As we say here: unlike batteries, freedom of speech only depletes if you don't use it.

Jeff:
>Why not have them try an "American" motif, like we have here in Washington DC
>at the "America Restaurant" with dishes from around the USA? That is very
>popular.
Isn't that what MacDonald's or Pizza Hut are supposed to be already? Just kidding

"More than 10,000 people marched in Paris, watched by 5,000 police.
The demonstration turned violent when about 20 youths attacked a couple
angry about protesters carrying posters of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
Both were treated for bruises by rescue workers."
About 20 youths in 10,000 people? That means 0.2%. I think that in any protest in any country of the world you will find at least 1% of assholes. This is absolutely meaningless.
>And the Parisian Brown-Shirts march through the streets defending terrorists!
Godwin point.

Aaron:
I'm surprised. Your restaurant is owned by Americans, staffed by Americans and probably serves food from local ingredients. I can't understand this boycott. This makes no sense to me.

"Thisguyssayz":
>Yea..it was theirs before it was Frances.Get out of Polyonisa France.
Get out of Hawaii. And of the USA, by the way.
>Looks like its O'k to just fight African Dictators..in former French colonies
France's *current* action in Africa is peace-keeping and preventing civil war. You know how troublesome situations can easily degenerate in Africa.
Did you never notice any difference between a peace-keeping force and an invading and occupation army?

Jimbo:
>Most of those 150,000 will tell you in a heartbeat that they are here to
>escape the tyrant Saddam Hussien, and they support the war 100%.
They don't have any risk of being "collateral dammage", do they?

>"USA we need your help, Chirac is another Bin Laden!"
Hmm. Need to invent a new Godwin point here.
"As a discussion about USA or France grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Ben Laden or Hitler approaches one."

>Remember the history. The U.S. did not employ the full effect of violence that the U.S. was capable of.
How would you qualify Agent Orange, then? A "quarter effect of violence"?

>I would also remind you that France created the mess in Vietnam to begin with,
>or at least worstened an already volatile situation, then ran off.
Sorry. The containment theory is all yours. The the Pythons said: "Blame Canada!".

>Here, how does "Prove it" translate in French?
http://web.archive.org/web/20020924140315/http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20020923/1048504.asp
A quick google search might help, too.

>Not to known terrorists.
Irangate?

>Fighting terrorism is a small part of why we are there. We are there to >fulfill the UN resolutions which the entire UN security council agreed, and to
>depose a mad-man that has been murdering his own people for decades.
There is no UN resolutions asking to invade Iraq. There is no UN resolution asking to depose Hussein. The UN security council did not caution your current action. Halliburton and Lockheed-Martin did.

>Niether Bush nor any other appointed representative of the U.S. Government has
>claimed to have conclusive proof that Hussien and OBL are connected or that
>Hussien is engaged in overt terrorism activity.
Colin Powell. Speech in front of UN.

12 busy monkeys

Tue, Sep 7 21:16 2010 - 38.107.191.108 - message #727