Muslim Brotherhood - 1, France - 0

Following the 9/11 attacks, the western world awoke to a new reality in which radical Islamic groups do not hesitate to use horrifying terrorist tactics in the name of Islam. The west's desire to find moderate streams in Islam with whom it can conduct a dialogue has led to a flourish of moderate Islamic organizations that are welcomed with open arms by European governments. The `Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe` is an example of such an organization. The Federation invests tremendous efforts in presenting a moderate image which opposes Jihad and operates on the principle of Dawa to constantly recruit followers of Islam through education, preaching and persuasion.

This is not actually the case. The Italian newspaper `Corriere della Sera` recently revealed that behind the Federation is the fundamentalist Islamic 'Muslim Brotherhood' organization and that its soothing messages are a cover for its true goals. The Muslim Brotherhood has a long-term strategic program to take over all Muslim communities in Europe and to create a united Islamic front which will influence the policies of European governments. The Federation means to be an umbrella organization under which all Islamic organizations in Europe will be gathered. A pan-European Muslim community will be created (under the direct guidance of the Muslim Brotherhood leadership) which could tip the scales in democratic regimes in Europe without the community becoming an integral part of the democratic culture. The principle of Dawa, which creates an illusion of moderation, demands superficial integration into society without assimilation, while zealously preserving Islamic identity and a culture that demands complete obedience to the leader. The goal is actually to create a `state within a state` by means of an infrastructure of mosques, preachers and schools which will guarantee complete control over the Muslim community from the earliest age to adulthood.

Corriere della Sera revealed that the Muslim Brotherhood marked France as ideal ground for implementing its program. Here, the missionaries of Islam are exploiting the massive presence of Muslim immigrants and citizens, a ramified network of mosques, and the France cultural reality and openness. According to a report in Le Figaro, 30,000-50,000 Frenchmen converted to Islam since the 1950s. In the countries where the Muslim Brotherhood originated - Algeria, Egypt, Tunisia, Jordan and Syria - the authorities take steps against it, to the extent of declaring the movement illegal due to its redicalism and subversive aims, while in Europe the Muslim Brotherhood has succeeded in operating freely and unhindered without fear of arrest. Senior Muslim Brotherhood members based outside Europe, such as Sheikh Kardhawi in Qatar, are not required to present a moderate image. They openly preach the return of Islam to Europe as the leading force and they reiterate the historical fact that the Muslims ruled extensively in parts of the continent - Spain, Italy and parts of the Balkans, up to Hungary and Vienna.

French policy surprisingly allows Islam what it does not allow Catholicism, Protestantism and Judaism. The Federation, or more correctly the Muslim Brotherhood, is rapidly becoming a significant force in determining French policy. The first step in this direction was a series of debates held in December 2002, between Federation representatives and the Minister of Interior in which it was decided to hold elections in the Muslim communities to form one overall representation for Muslims in France. The representation would in effect be run by the Muslim Brotherhood which would thereby acquire unprecedented and official legitimacy.

While we are being led astray by the false image of moderation, the Muslim Brotherhood's dangerous plan is already half way to being accomplished. We must not bury our heads in the sand. If we look around us we will already find the result of the first half: `Muslim Brotherhood` - one, France - nil.

Regards,

Pierre Duroy

pierre

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #827

Hey guys, seems to me there is no more posts since a while - too bad, isn't it? While reading all those articles i remember how angry you US people were against us, the french free men - greatly summed up by Homer Simpson for slow-thinking American with "french monkey cheese eater". Now, three months later, you are counting your dead, your useless dead, dead because of the lies of your administration. But as usual, when soldiers got dead, the whole country back the others up... remember Vietnam, guy ? Good. Now, make some search about the way we tried to deal with Algeria in the 50s. Just change the uniforms ans you'll believe that's the same situation as in today Irak. Good luck guys, France has learned not to interfere with arab countries : they have a way to throw you out of their countries with so many losses you'll never come back.
Aurelien

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #826

A poll taken in Germany this week ,showed the the French or a better allie .Than the Americans 49% vs 19% and that the Germans now see france as there 1 friend!! This is great so when the Germans invade France again the french wont have to ask America for help like aways, they can just ask to germans to withdraw and Im sure the Un will order the germans out.
May be the The USA will veto!! the action
Also All Usa forces will be withdrawn from Germany By 08, I hope this helps there job market ,Im sure any action would help its at 15%
Some of the Usa forces will move to former warsaw pact nations ,that backed the Usa in its war with Iraq, Like poland who said without the Usa we would be still living behind the Iron curtian and we owe them alot, thanks poland and your welcome, maybe our troops will make some jobs for the poles!!
Germany & france had said they didnt need them anyway!!!
I hope you liberal (Commie)soviet loving euros ,are looking at our polls,
I bet a million dollars GW bush will be reelected my 10% swing!!
The Demos have no message and AL SOre GORE is leading to polls and he even isnt running! The demos party has been taken over by far left wing commie nutts who hate there own country , and The Real American people see this TOO!!
Too Bad Hiterly Clinton and her mate BIll (the fool) Clinton isnt running in 04 ,The negitive turn out on her would crush her and she could go Cry
because her dreams of the world UN order would finally be dead!!!!
SLEESTAK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #825

Philip Carroll, the senior U.S. advisor to the Iraqi oil ministry, has publicly speculated that the country's interest may be best served if Iraq withdraws from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). "I make no presumptions about what the Iraqi government's policy will be toward OPEC, but if you assume that they remain as a member of OPEC, they will have to work with their fellow members to accommodate the volume they need to produce," Mr. Carroll said earlier this week. In short, says Carroll, these constraints on its oil exports could frustrate rebuilding efforts in a country hit hard by more than a decade of economic sanctions.

Carroll adds that input from the UN, World Bank and other international organizations (and, we presume, France), is largely unnecessary and their participation will be limited.

A founding member of OPEC, Iraq holds the world's second-largest known oil reserves, meaning that its departure from OPEC could break the cartel's grip on world oil prices. At the same time, the dilapidated state of Iraq's oil infrastructure means that only after years will the country return to full output.

Formation of an Iraqi interim authority, leading to federal republican self-government, is now set for July.
TOO bad france , is missing out
Bring Back the Chev Big block V8 454


SLEESTAK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #824

Europe will follow France
William Pfaff IHT (International Herald Tribune)

http://www.iht.com/articles/97038.html
niark niark niark

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #823

> I also wonder where is the VOICE of the many French (and American) muslim
> people who have not decried and condemned the "terrorist" cowards

I live a few miles from Dearborn, Michigan, which is home for one of the largest, if not the largest, Arab population in the US. The Arab population has, generally, been standoffish, prefering their own neighborhoods, schools, and entertainment. However, they have been quite vocal where terrorism is concerned and denounce terrorism catagorically. After all, many of them came here to escape the repressive nature of their governments, and various terrorist organizations. Among the Palestinians, there is a growing anger with the Hammas and similar terrorist organizations who come into the border towns to fire rockets into Israelli occupied land, then leave the townsfolk to face whatever repercussions the Israellis with to dole out. The day that Baghdad fell, 100,000 Iraqi-American citizens took to the streets in celibration. They had escaped Saddam's regime to come here, and many of them are happy that they may get to go visit their relatives.

Some voices speak quieter than others, you have to listen carefully.

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #822

> If France views that as a symbol of USA being beholden to France for a simple > piece of iron


Iron and copper, but realistically, there probably isn't an original part on the statue anymore.

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #821

Judah Ben-Hur -
Even a blind pig finds an acorn. So while I think you are seriously unbalanced, and definitely should leave the USA, I agree with your statement:

"The French Government should formally request that the Statue of Liberty be
returned to France. We all know what it was for."

If France views that as a symbol of USA being beholden to France for a simple piece of iron, while countless Americans DIED and gave their lives and blood to protect France in two World Wars, not to mention many others never "counted", than I say send it back.

We need a new symbol for a new era. USA is not just a nation of liberty, but also of freedom and dignity. USA represents not only hope to support good, but also the shield against evil. It is time to honor the total American commitment to liberty - as a nation that would rather die on their feet, than live on their knees.

We need a symbol that will burn bright in the sky - as a reminder to Earth and the stars - that for free people to live, they must always be willing to sacrifice and to defend freedom. That ongoing challenge to the USA to be willing to fight for freedom - is a human flame within all of us. The fire not only to embrace freedom, but be willing to fight for freedom is the BASIC TENET of the creation of the United States.

(Those who doubt that - consult their history books - look up "1776".)

So in these times, where liberty and freedom is threatened - the USA needs a new symbol for liberty - one that lives and is vibrant - just as the challenge to liberty is ever changing.

I propose a new symbol for NYC Harbor:
--- a 155 foot symbol of a unending-flame that burns into the night

where all peoples that approach the shores of United States - can see it even from a distance and say - "there burns the flame of liberty for all humanity....."

..... "there is the bright light of the American Dream."

Made in USA, paid for by USA, built in USA.

Judah Ben-Hur - you are deluded to think that liberty is free. The blood of many people paid for your right to speak today. The lives of many were sacrificed to build this Internet through which you communicate. American lives and American blood.

The home of the free - and the home of the BRAVE.
Jeff in DC

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #820

Terrorists are Cowards
(or soldiers who only attack, but cannot fight)

I often wonder if these terrorists grew up torturing insects, small animals, and other children. That is their speed and the extent of their courage. If it would not be offensive to transvestites, I would imagine that that they are really not MEN at ALL, but women in men's clothing. But I have more respect for transvetites than that. (To transvetites, my apologies in advance - this is merely a rhetorical point - I would never compare you to such terrorist slime.)

But these girly terrorists have one thing in common - no matter where they are in the world: they are yellow, spineless, cowards. They have no idea how to FIGHT LIKE A MAN. The Chechen Islamist Extremist terrorists are the most evident examples of this as they send their women to fight for them.

They want to be soldiers, but they have no courage at all. They only know how to fight women, children, and defenseless people. No doubt they truly enjoyed their torture of dogs in testing nerve gases and poisons. After all, the dogs were in cages, so the frightened little terrorists could not be bitten.

The Islamists Extremist Terrorists claim to be fighting for Mohammed. I fail to see where in the Koran that Mohammed preached "hit and run" tactics as a soldier. Maybe one of our Muslim readers could explain that. I find it hard to believe that Mohammed preached on how to be a coward that attacked helpless women, children, and civilians, but maybe that is in a Sura verse that I have not found yet. I also wonder where is the VOICE of the many French (and American) muslim people who have not decried and condemned the "terrorist" cowards who seem so determined to attack a society which has the courage to live their lives in peace and respect for their fellow person.

I would like to see what Terrorist is willing to fight like a man.
We here in Washington, DC are ready to take you on.
You can put your bombs and guns away, lets see you roll up your sleeves and see if you know how to actually fight with your own two hands.

Or do your terrorist hands SHAKE at such a thought? Do you need a bomb or a gun to have any balls? If so, "suicide bombers" (too fearful even to live - cowards) - what will you do if you ever find your "vestal virgins" in the afterlife - since you will have no balls anyways?

I have a standing offer to any terrorists. Washington DC. Washington Monument. You and me. No bombs, no guns, no knives, no poisons. Hand to hand. If you really want to attack America - DO YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO FIGHT SOMEONE WHO WILL HIT BACK? I have a pair of fists waiting for you.

We have so much criticism from our cowardly allies in France who will not stand up to you. America has and will continue to fight back. But nothing will replace the chance for us to fight you in person - one-on-one, hand-to-hand.

But of course, we know the answer in advance. The terrorists have to kill women, children, the elderly, and those who cannot protect themselves. That is the extent of their courage.

And France by its protection of them, Iraq, and other nations that harbors such cowardly filth - enables this behavior.

Shame on all of you. Shame on how you have dragged the Islamic people and its religion through YOUR COWARDLY FILTH. You have shamed Mohammed, and made his name a curse to the world. You have shamed all of the peaceful Islamic people around the world. Moreover, you have degraded society in general by showing a new low at which "human beings" (which you biologically are) can stoop.

When will France, with its large Islamic population, take a STAND?
How many more innocents have to die, before the Islamic people no longer accept these cowards, and drag them through the streets?

When will the SHAME OF FRANCE become too much for it to bear, until it fights back and defends the innocent?







Jeff in DC

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #819

Hey Juddah -

It sounds like you've been reading Ted Kosinski's manifestos. Get lots of rest and take your meds daily.



JK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #818

Get the Usa out of the UN now, It is now irrelevat in the eyes of the real American people, They are worthless stealing fools and they get 22% of there funding from the us tax payer, Why are we funding this worthless thing
Boot them out of the country now GW Bush and turn the bld into condos.
The Un is going the way of the old league of nations- NON existance,
Move them to france, so they can steal together and let the french people fund them!!
anybody who would put cuba on the human rights commission should be shot on site!!!!!!!!!!!
SLEESTAK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #817

Oui Mr. Martel - of course zee french aid terrorists! Zat eez why zay impress me so ....
Ben Hur

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #816

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same

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #815

As a member of the PLO I would like to take issue with the misrepresentation of my people on this site as well as others. Ever since our beloved Prophet spread the word of Allah and our message of peace, we have been under attack by zionists and others who would see our message of love distorted and desecrated. We will free the world and Allah in his infinite glory shall reign. Allahu Akhbar!!
Charles Martel

OUR Liberation website

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #814

Dear Mr. Ben-Hur. I was hoping to find something serious on the website fro Gaiacomm. It reads like something normal and serious until we get to the part where your company states that it intends to turn its technology into a weapon to incinerate terrorists. What do the Koranic references have to do with your message? Can you please explain your position vis a vis France and terrorism? Do you think that France aids terrorists? Thank you
Charles Martel

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #813

LINK TO STORY:

FRENCH SOLDIERS UNPLUG INCUBATORS

http://www.washingtontimes.com/propaganda/20030506-12345678.htm

Pffffffffffff

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #812

>France's goals to create a new military alliance with erstwhile nations
>historically supporting Totalitarianism and Terror - Germany and Russia - does
>not bode well for world peace.

Can you please name just ONE country that existed before 18th Century that does not have an historical record of "supporting Totalitarianism and Terror" ? Name just one. Or maybe you know a Democracy that existed before the 18th Century ? (read me well, I wrote _Democracy_, not Republic). Because I don't.

Pffffff.
Pfffff

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #811

THE FRENCH HAVE NOW ALLIED WITH THERE FORMER ENEMIES. THE GERMANS AND RUSSIANS WAKE UP AMERICA THEY ARE THE THREAT AND ARE WORKING TO KILL US.
IF YOU CAN SEE THIS. IF YOU ARE NOT BLIND (BEWARE OF THE EU) IT IS SUCKING UP WHATS LEFT OF YUGOSLAVIA, WE SHOULD HAVE KILLED EVERY GERMAN LEFT A LIVE AFTER WW2 REMEMBER WHAT CHURCHHILL SAID ABOUT THEM!!!! NEVER TRUST THEM
THE NAZI PIG IS ON THE LOSE AGAIN PEOPLE, WAKE UP AMERICA. GET READY TO FIGHT!! IT GOING TO TAKE US ALL TO BEAT THEM!! (PLEASE JUST WATCH WHAT IS GOING ON IN EUROPE PEOPLE) WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SLEESTAK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #810

If the news report "France Helps Iraqis" is true, and given the spying that erstwhile NATO-ally/traitor France did for Iraq on secret discussions with USA and other NATO countries, the idea of France officials providing EU passport to Iraqis sounds very credible. If this is proven unquestionably true, the USA has a huge question. This question is one that most of us here do not really want to ask, as we have had enough respect for France, to consider talking to them even worthwhile.

If France helped Iraqi terrorists get EU passports, which would allow them to travel freely among EU countries, has France now become a "state sponsoring terrorism"?

The reason this is an uncomfortable issue for the USA, is that for decades, while France was not viewed as a "reliable ally", at least France has not formally been viewed as an enemy of the United States. But if France is becoming a state sponsoring terrorism, we have a problem. In the War Against Terrorism, President Bush has clearly and unambiguously declared that state sponsors of terrorism are enemies of the United States.

US has recently given Syria and Iran "the message" that they could be next. In addition to its international posturing, goals of securing a European domination controlled by France through the EU, is France next looking to join - the "Axis of Evil"?

France's goals to create a new military alliance with erstwhile nations historically supporting Totalitarianism and Terror - Germany and Russia - does not bode well for world peace. Nor does France's traitorous acts against a NATO partner in spying for terrorist nations. If France has now added to these, facilitating free movement of wanted Iraqi terrorists throughout EU, France is building an increasing case that is more than a "disagreement among allies".

France needs to stop its CONFRONTATIONAL ACTIONS NOW. USA will continue to protect its national security and defense. France does not want to convince the American public that France is an enemy nation. France is doing a very good job of that, and needs to stop now. For all of its childish posturing, France cannot afford to be an enemy of the United States.

Chirac should step down, and a new government created that understands that working with the United States as a partner is a key part to any multinationalism.

French readers on this board - scoff all you want. You do not want the USA as an enemy. France needs to recognize this and back away from actions that it is going to regret for generations.



Jeff in DC

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #809

LINK TO STORY:

FRANCE HELPS IRAQIS ESCAPE

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030506-32981825.htm
Jeff in DC

click here

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #808

May 6, 2003

France helped Iraqis escape
By Bill Gertz - WT

An unknown number of Iraqis who worked for Saddam Hussein's government were given passports by French officials in Syria, U.S. intelligence officials said.
The passports are regarded as documents of the European Union, because of France's membership in the union, and have helped the Iraqis avoid capture, said officials familiar with intelligence reports.
The French support, which was revealed through sensitive intelligence-gathering means, angered Pentagon, State Department and intelligence officials in Washington because it undermined the search for senior aides to Saddam, who fled Iraq in large numbers after the fall of Baghdad on April 9.
"It made it very difficult to track these people," one official said.
A second Bush administration official said, "It's like Raoul Wallenberg in reverse," a reference to the Swedish diplomat who supplied travel documents to help Jews escape Nazi Germany in World War II. "Now you have the French helping the bad guys escape from us."
Asked about the passports, Nathalie Loiseau, a spokeswoman for the French Embassy, said French authorities have not issued any visas to officials of the former Iraqi regime since the beginning of the war in Iraq, either in Syria or elsewhere.
"France formally denies this type of allegation, which is not only contrary to reality but is intended to discredit our nation," she said. "It is certainly time for rumors of this type — totally unfounded and a dishonor to those who spread them — to stop."
The French passports allow the wanted Iraqis to move freely among 12 EU countries that are part of the Schengen agreement on unrestricted travel. Britain, Denmark and Ireland are not part of the Schengen pact.
The intelligence on the French passports came after reports indicated that a French company covertly sold military spare parts to Iraq in the weeks before the war.
Other intelligence reports indicated that a French oil company was working with a Russian oil firm to conclude a deal with Saddam's government in the days before military action began March 19.
The French government also denied U.S. intelligence indicating that a Chinese chemical company used French and Syrian brokers to circumvent U.N. sanctions in providing Iraq with chemicals used in making missile fuel.
Regarding the French passports for fleeing Iraqis, Pentagon officials have expressed frustration that few of the most senior leaders identified on the list of top 55 officials of the Saddam regime have been captured.
The capture yesterday of an Iraqi biological weapons scientist, Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash, brings to 19 the number of senior Iraqi leaders who have been caught. One has been reported killed.
Only one of the captives is ranked in the top 10.
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said Sunday that he did not know how many Iraqi officials had been given haven in Syria.
"Some have been made available to us," Mr. Powell said on CBS' "Face the Nation."
"Let me put it that way: Who we knew were there are no longer there," he said. "They've been made available to us, and they will be before the bar of justice of the Iraqi people."
Mr. Powell said other wanted Iraqis have been identified to the Syrian government "to see whether they can be located."
"But my sense from President Bashar al-Assad is that he has no interest in serving as a haven for any of these individuals," Mr. Powell said. "So I think if we can give him information and give him specific names and anything else we can say about these people, I think he would try to respond."
It could not be learned whether Mr. Powell and the Syrian president discussed Iraqis who might have transited through Syria to other nations.
Mr. Powell said Syria has been "helpful" in the past two years in dealing with the war on terrorism, primarily through U.S. and Syrian intelligence liaison.
The secretary also told Mr. Assad that "there may be people in Syria that we don't know about but you know about" who should be turned over to U.S. forces.
"This is the time for you to locate these individuals and turn them over to Iraqi justice and not allow Syria to become a haven for materials that might be coming out of Iraq still, or came out of Iraq or individuals who are trying to seek haven," he said.
Under pressure from the United States, Syria in the past several weeks expelled more than 30 Iraqis, many who came from Saddam's hometown of Tikrit.
After first granting sanctuary to former Iraqi intelligence official Farouk Hijazi, Syria turned him over to U.S. officials in Iraq.
Congress is considering legislation that would impose economic sanctions on Syria for its support of terrorism and to pressure it to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and stop building ballistic missiles.

Jeff in DC

click here

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #807

> And you stupid narrow-minded paranoiac foxnews-informed american

And they say the French aren't rude...

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #806

US are totally mad! For all good reasons given for the war on Iraq, Bush adds one which makes me chill. Iraq and Saddam were among the defenders and supporters of Al-Qaeda. I wish i dream. the Baath is a laic tyrannical party which tried to weep out integrism in Iraq in the benefit of Saddam. And you stupid narrow-minded paranoiac foxnews-informed american really believe the is a link between the two? you re mad, mad. For you, everything arab is islam then fundamenlist then terrorists. America, you have become drunk with your power and dunno where your interests lie!
Bégot Aurélien

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #805

Veuillez dire votre premier ministre Jacque Chirac qu'il peut sortir maintenant par derrière la robe de sa mère.
Please tell your Prime Minister Jacque Chirac he can come out now from behind his Mother's dress.

Les Américains ont gagné la guerre - encore.
The Americans won the war - again.

Thank you for your help
Danke für Ihre Hilfe
Merci de votre aide
Grazie per il vostro aiuto
Obrigado para sua ajuda
Gracias por su ayuda



White House

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #804

Anti-war

>i think you all need a life. All of you idiots are the reason that many people >around the world hate america. As for nuking all of the countries that aren't >american puppets, ur horribly wrong. Nuke them and worse will happen to >america. The terrorist cells here will then attack us again. U all are idiots. >War was unjustified and still is

No they aren,t American puppets..and I can't think of another that is currently..can you please name me one of these "Puppets" you are speaking of?..True there a countries that depend on our foriegn aid..but so doe's EVERY country in the world..They always have their hand out while our own people are homeless and go without medical care.You are the Idiot and the guy that says Nuke China,Iran ..etc is just mirror(opposite radical)image of yourself.Your the say and "DO NOTHINGS" while the house is being robbed ..and your opposite says Gun them down before they act and steal the silverware..While the More level headed..and most in here say..We won't allow thieves and Murdurer's(terrorists to run our lives)and if we catch them in the act..we WILL punish them!

Thisguysayz

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #803

I'd say this constitutes just cause to throw France out of NATO, wouldn't all of you? Jeff in DC

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Dossier reveals France briefed Iraq on US plans

Matthew Campbell, Baghdad - The London Times - April 27, 2003

FRANCE gave Saddam Hussein's regime regular reports on its dealings with American officials, documents unearthed in the wreckage of the Iraqi foreign ministry have revealed.

The first Iraqi files to emerge documenting French help for the regime show that Paris shared with Baghdad the contents of private transatlantic meetings and diplomatic traffic from Washington.

The information, said in the files to have come partly from "friends of Iraq" at the French foreign ministry, kept Saddam abreast of every development in American planning and may have helped him to prepare for war. One report warned of an American "attempt to involve Iraq with terrorism" as "cover for an attack on Iraq".

Another, dated September 25, 2001 from Naji Sabri, the Iraqi foreign minister, to Saddam's palace, was based on a briefing from the French ambassador in Baghdad and covered talks between presidents Jacques Chirac and George W Bush.

Chirac was said to have been told that America was "100% certain Osama Bin Laden was behind the September 11 attacks and that the answer of the United States would be decisive".

The report also gave a detailed account of American attitudes towards Saddam amid anxiety in Iraq that the country might soon become a target of American reprisals.

"Information available to the French embassy in Washington suggests that there is no intention on the part of the Americans to attack Iraq, but that matters might change quickly," said the document from folders marked France 2001 found by The Sunday Times.

"According to French information, a discussion about Iraq is going on in Washington between [secretary of state] Colin Powell and the Zionist [Paul] Wolfowitz [the deputy defence secretary]. Powell was against a military attack on Iraq whereas Wolfowitz was in favour of a strong military operation against Iraq."

The report noted that "the Israelis have informed the French ambassador in Washington that they have no evidence of Iraqi involvement in the attacks".

An account of a meeting between Hubert Vedrine, the former Socialist foreign minister of France, and Powell after September 11 also made its way into the Baghdad archives. Powell was said to have disclosed that he would raise with Russia the subject of its "co-operation" with Iraq.

Powell, the report said, "is going to ask the Russian foreign minister how Russia could co-operate with a country that had expressed satisfaction at America being subjected to such attacks. He is going to ask for a new draft resolution from the United Nations security council on Iraq".

Bernard Jenkin, shadow defence secretary, said the briefings went beyond diplomatic courtesies and pointed to French "duplicitousness".
Jeff in DC

Traitor France Helps Iraq

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #802

Terrorism = War
States that Sponsor Terrorists = Enemies of the USA

That is a fundamental equation that France and other nations are going to have to learn to deal with from now on. In "The Lessons of Terror", Caleb Carr clearly describes why it is important to distinguish terrorism from being a "criminal" activity, rather than what it really is - a paramilitary attack of war. Such terrorist groups and states that sponsor them have declared war on the United States. The only lesson that such terror groups will understand is pre-emptive strikes to destroy their military forces and further capabilities to wage Terror/War on the USA.

UN clearly recognized Iraq's intent to go to war with the world in Resolution 1441. USA has learned the lessons of terror and therefore, had the initiative and motivation to ensure that Iraq, as state that sponsors terror, was treated with the pre-emptive military strike necessary to protect the US and freedom-loving nations. The US did this in a restrained, professional military means, that DID NOT TARGET CIVILIANS, but sought to selectively destroy the Iraq military machine intended to wage terror on the war and to assist terrorists.

Of course, it is regrettable that France lacks the national maturity to appreciate USA and British sacrifices for the free world. But more importantly, the US does not need to explain or justify our actions to pre-emptively destroy military threats (that is what terrorism is --- a MILITARY THREAT -- not a "criminal conspiracy" which must be proved in a court of law).

US always has and will have the sovereign rights to protect itself from military threats, and if necessary pre-emptively disarm and/or eliminate such military threats.

Those who have stood indecisively against such terror/military actions, have seen an endless cycle of this continuing. Read the Carr book "Lessons of Terror".

France has a history -- built around Cardinal Richelieu ("raison d'etat", Louis XIV, and Napoleon - take from others to give to France at whatever cost to others. France is based on failed empires and remains a small, powerless afterthought in Europe, with people who long for the glory days of centuries long past. It only has any power because of USA's invitiation for France to join UN Security Council, NATO, etc. And naturally, the French are jealous of the Americans - so much so - they can not even understand USA's reasonable need to defend itself from military/terror attack.

Look at France's history compared to the USA. It is no surprise that even centuries later, France is not sufficiently matured as a nation-state to understand American prinicipals beyond the most surface level. France has historical roots in empire building, and looking out "only for number one".

Chirac comes in a long line of such individuals. "Raison d'etat" would basically sum up his view of the world. Where it to be four centuries ago, Chirac would have fit in nicely with Napoleon or other long antiquated, pathetic "men who would absolute monarchs". With his eye to glory only, Chirac comes from the 18th century - if only a time machine were available to send him back there to keep him happy. But alas, he must live in today.

France has plenty of chance to change. Not with Chirac, but by the fact this posting board even EXISTS there is a chance. But France must grow beyond its Napoleonic past and live in the 21st century. In the 21st century, the free nations face a serious threat in reality of a War Against Terrorists.

If France had any sense, they would send French Special Forces into Syria and start taking military action against remaining terror groups in that nation. Sound absurd to French? Terror = War. That's the Equation for the 21st century. Our nations do not seek terror - we do not attack civilians. However, to let terrorist soldiers spread across the world unchecked, simply because it is more convenient to view them as "criminals" is short-sighted and dangerous. It allows terror soldiers to undermine the very freedom of democratic nations.

When the French starting shooting Hizballah terror/soldiers in the Hizballah paramilitary, I will be glad to welcome them back as allies. As long as they continue to help provide more obstructionism to prevent USA from defending itself from terror/military attacks, then they are no friends or allies or ours.

And the French can also repay the British by taking out some IRA terror/soldiers as well... At the very least, the French could help out their new buddies the Russians by rooting out Chechen terror/soldiers.

After all - didn't our nations fight off the Nazis to free France?
Should our free nations unite to show military might toward the terror/paramilitary groups - terrorists will finally understand the consequences of their actions.

Terror=War. Terror=War. Terror=War. Terror=War.

We have taught Afghanistan a lesson, and now we have taught Iraq a nation.
USA is going to take names, and kick ass, of those who seek to attack our country. If I were a terror/soldier, I would be very afraid. We are a force to be reckoned with. We have made our point, and the next group of terror/soldiers will get more of the same.

How different self-defense of our nation is from the French imperialism just for the sake of enriching France! It is no wonder the French cannot understand the USA.



Jeff in Washington DC

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #801

> i think you all need a life. All of you idiots are the reason that many
> people around the world hate america. As for nuking all of the countries that > aren't american puppets, ur horribly wrong. Nuke them and worse will happen
> to america. The terrorist cells here will then attack us again. U all are
> idiots. War was unjustified and still is.

The war was quite justified. Please review the cease fire agreement that Saddam signed, and the subsequent U. N. Resolutions right up to Resolution 1441. Thanks for educating yourself.

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #800

i think you all need a life. All of you idiots are the reason that many people around the world hate america. As for nuking all of the countries that aren't american puppets, ur horribly wrong. Nuke them and worse will happen to america. The terrorist cells here will then attack us again. U all are idiots. War was unjustified and still is.

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #799

I was on a US Navy troopship nearing the end of WW11. We called on LeHarve France to unload US Troops and bring some others home. We were warned by our
Captain that while on liberty ashore we should travel in two's or three's as He, the Captain didn't feel we were entirely safe walking alone. I have never forgotten this, and certainly now will never buy a French product knowlingly.

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #798

Bomb Saddam Bomb Saddam Now! After we are thru with Iraq we should crush France like so many grapes
We Dont Need France, we should just cut them Off like a falac. Iran doesnt need all that oil lets just take it Turkey, Germany, North Korea, or Communist China we should just Nuke
Republican Voice

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #797

I'd rather have a German army in front of me than a French army behing me
General G. Patton, 1944
K. Amour

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #796

I suggest we arm the Iraqi people and sent them to Paris.
Chuck

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #795

Congratulations U.S. of A.

You have given the Iraqi people a gift of immeasurable value. They have the chance to choose freedom. The cost albeit high was well worth it. Bravo!


1 Canadian Lady

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #794

Greetings from Kelowna Real Estate, more than just another Kelowna real estate - website.


Kelowna real estate

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #793

FOR SALE: French Army Pocket knives..Many utities and fuctions! WE ARE OVERSTOCKED!!BIG BIG SALE ..Follow the link..EVERY FRENCH MAN NEEDS ONE!
HURRY BEFORE THEY ARE SOLD OUT! YOU UNDERSTAND.."SOLD OUT" RIGHT.

copy and paste to Browser! to see this INCREDIBLE FRENCH ARMY KNIFE!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-frencharmyknife.htm


Thisguysayz

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #792

The 12th French Monkey portrayed here!

for cut and paste users

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-frenchsurrendermonkey.htm

Thisguysayz

The 12th French Monkey

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #791

Cut and paste

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-frenchmilitaryvictories.htm
Thisguysayz

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #790

Google search..
Thisguysayz

French Military Victories

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #789

What do Jane Fonda and Peter Arnett have in Common?
Thisguysayz

Fog of War

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #788

The French have always had Hygene problems it seems..But there is a solution now! You may have your own "French Baath Party"!! *Chemical Bubble baath..Not included.
Thisguysayz

French Baath Party

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #787

O'k Popeye'e back!
Thisguysayz

The New French Connection

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #786

You gotta see this un'
Thisguysayz

get a laugh

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #785

It would appear that opinion is changing a bit in France. Darn! I hate to say I told you so!

http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=7&aid=D7QB9HUG0_story

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #784

FOR SALE: 1 large bronze head of diposed dictator..weight/250,000 Iraqis.
Made by famous French sculpturers! Good for Scrap or Memorabilia of "Good Ole' Days".Also could be melted down to create any likeness'for any present Dictator French Sculpturers may be working on presently in Africa.
Thisguysayz

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #783

Latest American (Reuters) Poll-

"Who do you now regard now as America's greatest enemy?"

Results:
#1 N. Korea
#2 Iraq
#3 France
#4 China

Looks like france is climbing the charts pretty fast. Kim Il Sung is going
to have to work pretty hard to keep france from becoming #1. They've hated
us, for the most part, for years. I guess it was inevitable that the genie
of french anti-Americanism had to come out of the bottle at some point.

Now, on to the Ivory Coast.


JK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #782

>PEACE IN "OUR" TIME..BY Dominique De Villepin.
>ThisIraqiguysayz

I gotta checkout ebay and amazon for this one!!!!
Did you hear the truly shocking news that AL-Durri, Iraq's UN representative, is headed to France!? Who would have thought...
>JK,God ..Can I call em' or what! I'm going to start my own Pyschic hotline!

>A work of art worthy of the Louvre itself. A Classic post!!!!!!!!!!!!
>JK,You are to kind..I do try to keep my works within the confines of French tastes


Thisguysayz

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #781

Dear Estelle,

You are welcome here any time..The United States has always welcomed the oppressed peoples of the world.I am surprised to here that you are experiencing anti-semitism in France.Chirac had just recently said Anti-semitism is not a problem in France.While we do have a large arab population..we try to embrace each others differences..Jew,Christian,Muslim together.When and if you come,
Take a US carrier..not Air France.
Thisguysayz

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #780

So what shall i say ,
as a young french jew whitnessing antisemtism
growing more and more and strong here
since french people cleverly manipulated by jacque chirac
assimilate , us foreign policy to sionisme ,
Chirac made a choice , which is to become closer and closer
to the arab world , expecting to rebuild french ancient protectorates
what he doesnt understang though , is that islamism is becaming
a significant threat to french identity as an occidental nation
islamists are becoming more and more arrogant ,
here , and sometimes it feels that france is not only a pro_arab
country but in the process of becoming an arab country itself
no more , no less

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #779

>FOR SALE: FRENCH LITERATURE, Get such French classic's as "Psychosociology of >interrogantion" in French and actually found in one of Saddam's torture >chambers ONLY SLIGHTLY BLOOD STAINED. various other French best sellers >include! "How to convert Humanitarian aid into Chemical weapons"..and that hot >seller, "Saddam and Me"..By Jacque's Chirac..Other best sellers include! From >Saddam's personal library..PEACE IN "OUR" TIME..BY Dominique De Villepin.
>ThisIraqiguysayz

A work of art worthy of the Louvre itself. A Classic post!!!!!!!!!!!!


JK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #778

>PEACE IN "OUR" TIME..BY Dominique De Villepin.
>ThisIraqiguysayz

I gotta checkout ebay and amazon for this one!!!!

Did you hear the truly shocking news that AL-Durri, Iraq's UN representative, is headed to France!? Who would have thought...

He, no doubt, will be pampered and bathed in glory as a hero to humanity by the french. No less than a cabinet-level spot in the Chirac regime. Speaking of the Chirac regime, jack-a** Jacques should be a bit concerned if Saddam is still living.

If he can make it to Paris, he a shoe-in for the presidency there.



BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT





JK

Sat, Feb 4 16:59 2012 - 66.249.71.199 - message #777