I was very impressed with Marion Cotillard's depiction of Edith Piaf in La Vie En Rose. However, now that she has spoken out about the 911 Hoax and the Moon Landings frauds she is definitely hot stuff in my eyes.
Harry Lime
, Marion Cotillard says 911 attacks made up
Tue, Mar 4 16:05:15 2008 - 12.159.172.165 - message #86
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here the late Peter Jennings and his guest, Evan Fairbanks discuss the impossible footage of "flight 175" disappearing into the South Tower. They describe it as a "bad special effect".
they are openly giving away the fact that the planes that we saw on 9/11 were not real. Meanwhile, it is still very hard to get people to realize this fact.
Harry Lime
, Bad special effect
Sat, Feb 9 15:46:01 2008 - 12.159.172.165 - message #85
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here's some more. does anyone still believe that real planes hit the WTC?
Thoughtcrime7: WTC2 anomalies - debunkers debunked & buried:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0b34msR6cI&NR=1
911 Taboo:
http://noplanes911.blogspot.com/2007/11/911-taboo-parts-one-and-two.html
Impossible 9/11 helicopter fake FOX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyttxUHcoXc&feature=related
Harry Lime
, Impossible 9/11 helicopter fake FOX
Tue, Dec 18 23:33:42 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #84
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Italian TV gives away a lot of the WTC 7 Hoax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0
Harry Lime
, 'Seven is Exploding'
Tue, Dec 4 03:19:21 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #83
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Hey you guys, I think this video really says it all, check it out, it's real short.
P KProductions
, The Truth
Fri, Nov 23 17:37:51 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #82
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there's a LOT of videos out now showing us that the 911 planes were animated CGIs. Too bad no one is paying attention!
Harry Lime
, cartoon flight 175
Wed, Sep 26 06:54:45 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #81
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if you want a REALLY interesting read, plunge into this document
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/red-symphony.html
Lune
, a real good yarn
Wed, Sep 19 03:40:31 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #80
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seriously these people watch WAY too much tv. look into bush's eyes, look at his smile- these are the gestures of the king of the world. REALLY observe the body language beyond the words. turn the sound off.
any story can be instantly true and compelling if you are also choosing the images to present along with the words. and when that is the primary medium, things will happen like planes crashing into the pentagon and their thousand ton components being vaporized by jet fuel in an eighth of a second while leaving no debris.
the crime scene certainly was not treated with forensic standards. the steel structure beams from the towers were never presented at trial or catalogued in any way (that we know of). for homeland security reasons, presumably. so the homeland will not be endangered if the terrorists find out that the beams they thought would be so hard to blow up really melted and lost all structural cohesion at one third the temperature humankind had heretofore assumed them to do so...
Lune
Wed, Sep 19 03:38:08 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #79
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bush definitely cooked the books on this one (just like the election). it was the catalyzing event in their dramatic play. towers-pentagon (monstrous tragedy) bin laden al qaeda (villain) afghanistan, later iraq (distant, exotic setting) hijackers taking flying lessons in florida (foreign traitor in the midst)
the war on terror, deployment (the galvanizing response) USA PATRIOT ACT (the real agenda) bureaucratize the war (just like after WWII, the military industrial complex hangs on to power and money even after the "threat" is passed) law the govt. crystalize the war footing into more government, pa's gov becomes the sec. of homeland security the homeland becomes an important word again- but what does it mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0
Lune
, bin laden didn't blow up the towers
Wed, Sep 19 03:28:33 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #78
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"We all know that a secret at the government level is a pretty almost difficult thing to accomplish."
This argument is pretty weak for several reasons. For one, the government has a track record of keeping secrets. For example, 40 years after the Moon landings were faked the government still insists they took place. (Or, human beings made multiple, 500,000 mile round-trips to the Moon with the computing power of a calculator. Since this took place the farthest that humanity has travelled in space is about 100 miles.)
Another reason the argument is weak is it assumes that a rag-tag group of ex-farmers managed to defeat the combined defenses of the United States. What's harder to believe? That a coup d'etat took place on 9/11, or a small group of ex-farmers destroyed all seven World Trade Center buildings?
the final reason the argument fails is no planes struck the WTC. It was all just a media hoax. If you doubt this, consult "September 11 Clues" which is all the rage these days.
Harry Lime
Thu, Sep 13 06:31:12 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #77
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Before I begin, I have read a lot of theories out there. Now having said that I would like to say get off the pipe people. I want all of you "educated theorist" out there to understand this. In order for an operation this massive to be sucessful everyone from the personel who pumps the jet fuel to several thousand government and civilian employees who are directly or indirectly involved with transportation to defense has to be on the same page everyone has to know what is going on. We all know that a secret at the government level is a pretty almost difficult thing to accomplish. An operation such as this has to be planned years in advance and let me see how long was president bush in office before 911 yea not that long. Lets get on the subject of secret planes or other secrets the government have. I hope and pray we have secrets I want our government to have secrets we do not need to know national security procedures or operations for the sake of needing to know. Do you want the enemy to know our every move not me. Where will we be if we would have lost the cold war. Would the soviet union leave us alone an cease all hostilities as we have with them. If you believe that you need help. We would be living under a communist flag drinking vodka.
ranger082469
Wed, Sep 12 21:26:16 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #76
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folks, the TV networks actually aired this clearly photoshopped "plane" on national TV!
Harry Lime
, Park Foreman mash
Fri, Sep 7 16:37:00 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #75
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here's another good video showing us that the TV networks lied on 9/11 by showing fake video of animated 'planes'. I don't know how long this video will be up. so, watch it while you can.
Harry Lime
, Fake TV - no plane hit the WTC
Fri, Sep 7 10:00:12 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #74
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PART 2
3- Implosion of the building as an inside job by thugs would require a suicide conspiracy of great magnitude involving employees, janitors and security personnel, not to mention the avoidance of hidden cameras, etcetera. NON_SENSE.. Only a redneck can support such moronic belief!
4-Here is another Web Site debunking the Fantasy of a Government Conspiracy:
http://www.oilempire.us/bogus.html
"The first of these was the idea that a plane did not really hit the North Tower, but was really a missile camouflaged by a King Kong sized hologram of a plane. This bizarre creation came from a website called "the web fairy," and took advantage of the fact that there is only one, low quality video publicly available of the North Tower attack. This hoax is easily disproved by the most obvious "physical evidence" - the hole in the side of the North tower was the size of a 767"
Moronic Conclusion:
"The White house is run by the Grays and this Universe was already destroyed in 2000, but angels of the fifth dimension took compassion and we became holograms- If you believe this nonsense then you ought to join the Earth Flat Society:
"But why? Why do we say the Earth is flat, when the vast majority says otherwise? Because we know the truth."
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm
P.S Beam up, Scotty, there is no proof of life intelligence out here.
Rigoberto Muniz
Fri, Aug 31 06:49:35 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #73
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Let us examine the 911 with a dosage of common sense:
Myth Statement:
"We're the ones who know that aluminum planes can't enter steel buildings like ghosts"
Rebuke Answer:
Number One: I would remind you of an independent scientific study by Popular Mechanics in 2002 about debunking the 911 hoaxes:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1230517.html
"We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified..."
Number two:
This is strong material evidence (see link below) to prove you wrong.
Follow the link and see for yourself below the amazing feat of Mother Nature striking a Royal Palm Tree with an insignificant piece of wood
This amazing 1926 picture shows of how a piece of wood-NOT Aluminum- could easily penetrate a Royal Palm Tree at a very high velocity:
http://www.cubahurricanes.org/images/photo/history/image030.jpg
Picture above depicts the 1926 category 4 hurricane in Cuba and a Palm tree gone through by a wooden beam.
More details here:
http://www.cubahurricanes.org/history-hurricanes-chronicles.php
Rigoberto Muniz
Fri, Aug 31 06:48:24 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #72
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you guys are thinking too much, lay off the crack there were no fake vids at the WTC there were at the pentagon. you cant fake that much, too many people where there, everything happend inside the building look at www.physics911 and you will see what i am talking about.
your goverment is dumb, but not that dumb
Aussieman
, www.physics911
Thu, Aug 30 19:51:37 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #71
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how about, if the planes were going 500mph they could go into a steel building
or are you telling me that the kamikaze planes in WW2 that crashed into the aircraft carriers towers, at 200-220mph did not go though, when there are at least 20 reports of this happing, or are you telling me that WW2 never happend
just look the the site www.physics911.net this is what happend
there were planes just not civil
Aussieman
, physics911
Thu, Aug 30 19:25:51 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #70
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how about, if the planes were going 500mph they could go into a steel building
or are you telling me that the kamikaze planes in WW2 that crashed into the aircraft carriers towers, at 200-220mph did not go though, when there are at least 20 reports of this happing, or are you telling me that WW2 never happend
just look the the site www.physics911.net this is what happend
there were planes just not civil
Aussieman
, physics911
Thu, Aug 30 19:22:01 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #69
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there's some really good 9/11 stuff linked to Nico's mashups page:
http://911videomashups.com/node/34
i've seen a few and like these:
9/11 - Illogical Logic (with Popular Mechanics):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bJeeUtWmZ0E
No planes on 9/11 - video fakery evidence! (6:55)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bJeeUtWmZ0E
the first one is nice and short. it covers the crazy logic that explains how a plane entered the Pentagon versus how it supposedly happened with the WTC.
the second one has nice details about the 911 Hoax.
Watch. Understand. Get involved! there's a world to save!
Harry Lime
, No planes on 9/11 - video fakery evidence!
Mon, Aug 27 19:05:46 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #68
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this video is 9:15 in length. i turned the music down. it is confusing; moves pretty fast. However, it definitely explains a lot.
it focuses on the famous shot of "Flight 175" hitting the South Tower. how come there were no trees in the foreground? 911 Octopus - the up and up, tells us how the image was created.
Harry Lime
, 911 Octopus - the up and up
Wed, Aug 22 18:18:46 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #67
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this is a really good new video out about the cartoon planes of 9/11. it is 7:43 in length. nice flash, good observations.
Harry Lime
, 9/11 Wag the Dog Scenario - Fake TV
Tue, Aug 21 18:10:17 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #66
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Possible False Flag Operation October 15-24, 2007
This is urgent there is a huge nation wide military exercise that will be conducted in October which is starting to look like a false flag operation. It is called Topoff 4 FSE (Top Officials 4 Full Scale Exercise) There are a number of websites that show how this exercise is to be managed and the officials involved. You can find pdf files of this searching for National Exercise Program under the Department of Homeland Security and there is even a powerpoint presentation that shows the individuals and agencies involved. Please help get this information out because if there is a new 911 you know what the government will do next to all of us. http://www.dhs.gov/xprepresp/training/gc_1179422026237.shtm
s1nt3k
Thu, Aug 16 23:54:11 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #65
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Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds are the co-authors of a paper that argues that the Twin Towers were brought down by "exotic weaponry"; a.k.a., "Star Wars". The central argument behind this claim is how finely pulverized the dust was after the Towers collapsed.
the rubble pile at the WTC site was too small for the Towers to have collapsed with only gravity as the energy input.
Harry Lime
, WTC brought down by Star Wars
Sun, Aug 12 09:03:45 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #64
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Someone said the buildings were nuked due to glow/molten metal...Dr judy wood discusses this on her website http://www.drjudywood.com and proves that it is highly likely faked...so if this is the case something else brought down the towers...advanced weaponry like directed energy beams?
mason-free party
Sun, Aug 12 01:47:45 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #63
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Crazy!, by Ghenghis.
Harry Lime
, Ghenghis: Crazy
Sun, Jul 29 07:23:39 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #62
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I did not know that people were saying or believed it was a hoax until I ran upon this site. Now I can't seem to get away from this site. I admit, it has changed my view upon it.
E.D.I.
Thu, Jul 26 11:09:20 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #61
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jeez, it just can't be more obvious that the tv networks aired fake video of animated planes on 9/11. meanwhile, hardly anyone out there seems to care.
Harry Lime
, Chopper 4 / WB11 footage comparison
Wed, Jul 25 19:30:36 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #60
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from virtually the same camera angle!
first one, absolutely no flight 175 to be found:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA
And this pops up now:-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=woOrxB8c9zg&mode=related&search=
Harry Lime
Tue, Jul 17 18:03:45 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #59
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well, if you look at the video the TV networks aired of the Towers collapsing you'll see a very mysterious glow. this glow accompanies the collapse of the North Tower and building 7. Asbestos in the Towers can't explain this glow, which resembles nuclear explosions.
admin
, nukes in NYC
Tue, Jun 19 19:29:04 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #58
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"Downtown NYC cancer cluster indicates WTC was brought down with nuclear weapons."
In 9/11 Coincidences, on YouTube, they mention that the building structure was full of asbestos, so this can be the real reason...
Julie
Tue, Jun 19 11:05:17 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #57
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Absolutely incredible new revelations about how the TV networks aired fake video of animated "planes" on 9/11!
Parts I, II and IV not to be missed. Part III has good payoff near the end.
Part I, tHE 911 NEWSWMEDIA COVERAGE:
http://tinyurl.com/2yc5l9
--or--
http://www.livevideo.com/video/6F393F4DE41C4CF798CBB438E6378129/september-clues-part1.aspx
Part II, tHE FLYING TELEPHANTS:
http://tinyurl.com/ysycy7
--or--
http://www.livevideo.com/video/9CA2E0D39C0A44EBA589A972F80FC2A6/september-clues-part2.aspx
Part III, Of MISSILES and MEN:
http://tinyurl.com/yv84fn
--or--
http://www.livevideo.com/video/E0E8DC73928D42D4A01CF664B22E16B5/september-clues-part3.aspx
Part IV, tHE DENSE COINCIDENCE DANCE:
http://tinyurl.com/yubvjm
--or--
http://www.livevideo.com/video/3F706266A8524D6AA3CCC4CFC2F0F257/september-clues-part4.aspx
Harry Lime
, September 11 clues - must see video
Thu, Jun 7 16:19:07 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #56
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here's an eerie 9/11 video. the music is spooky.
Harry Lime
, no plane witnesses
Fri, May 18 15:29:29 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #55
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wow, this is a fantastic video about the 911 media hoax. highly recommended!
Harry Lime
, chromakey assassins
Wed, May 16 18:14:21 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #54
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watch the fireball as the camera zooms out!
Harry Lime
, the frozen fireball
Fri, May 11 19:13:28 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #53
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"Half in, half out… can I get a damage report? Let’s see… the plane appears to be fine – same goes for the tower. Notice how there’s no hole in the tower between the engines and the fuselage. This picture is representative of a pixel crash, not a plane crash...."
Harry Lime
, The Pixel Crash
Fri, May 11 19:10:31 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #52
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comments from a reader:
I think it is also very important to mention that the fuselages of jetliners are only 1 to 1.5 millimetres thick and the reinforcing stringers and frames less than 2 mm thick.The proportions of the fuselage( diameter to thickness ratio ) is similar to that of a coke can.The reinforcement and floors would make it 3 to 5 times stiffer than a can scaled up in size but the fuselage would crumple like a can at least initially on impact with the steel facade.The mode of failure is called thin shell buckling.
The wings would shear off. The B25 which hit the ESB in July 1945 had both wings sheared off. I have a photograph somewhere of one of the sheared off wings lying on 34th street.It is available in the book "The sky is falling" by Arthur Weingarten published in the seventies.
--[name withheld]
Admin
Sat, Apr 21 15:00:54 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #51
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BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 a half hour before it happened:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096&p=1
(assuming this is authentic BBC telecast from 9/11: absolutely incredible!! the BBC essentially <i>gave away</i> a lot of the hoax elements of 9/11/01 to their audience!! Please, watch this.)
Google censors the BBC video; BBC claims it "lost" its 9/11 tapes:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/010307mediablacklists.htm
BBC "lost" their 9/11 tapes!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_conspiracy.html
http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/bbc_lost_tapes_of_21st_century_defining_moment.htm
Harry Lime
, BBC a half hour early in its 9/11 reporting
Sat, Apr 21 14:53:52 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #50
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(CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS): Steel has a linear stress-strain relationship up to its yield point. The yield point is determined by the interaction of carbon atoms and dislocations in stressed steel. The steel used in the World Trade Towers was specifically cold worked and of alloy composition so that the yield point was extraordinarily high -- much higher than could ever be exceeded by an aluminum cigar tube directed into it. A first-year physics student will be able to verify this and will tell you that the ultimate tensile strength of the columns at the WTC was much greater than the forces that could have been applied by the hypothetical airliners.
What we have in the oft-played videos are clever compositing works that in no way represent the laws of physics. Structural steel (ASTM A36 grade) has a hield strength of 250 Mega Pascal Units (MPa) and an ulimate strength of 400 MPa. Its density is g/cm3 and one need only do the math to prove that what has been sold to the American people is a bill of goods -- a fantasy.
People! Do the math!!!!!
Aaron
Fri, Apr 20 15:47:03 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #49
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People, it would be quite simple to set up a scale simulation to prove or disprove the issue here. Have you ever wondered why not one entity has ever done this? The reason is simple: the results would in no way match what the television images showed. Aircraft are built to be as light as humanly possible and are essentially fragile eggshells made of aluminum. The laws of physics would dictate that the wreckage of the planes would have crumpled and mostly fallen to the streets below. This is what happened when the small plane piloted by the Yankee pitcher Cory Lidle crashed into a Manhattan apartment building. Given, his small Cessna was on a smaller scale than the airliners alleged to have struck the World Trade Towers. However, the building he hit was EVEN SMALLER in scale than the towers.
Aaron
Fri, Apr 20 15:46:37 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #48
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ANN ARBOR, MI (Disassociated Press) April 13, 2007 - Bartholomew J. Sneed, Professor of Physical Sciences at the University of Michigan, has corroborated a recent claim made by Rosie O'Donnell, referring to the collapse of World Trade Tower Seven in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, that it is physically impossible for fire to melt steel...
DisassociatedDave
, Scientist Corroborates Rosie O'Donnell's 9/11
Sun, Apr 15 09:18:09 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #47
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You people are all crazy. Do you know what it would take to pull off a "Hoax" of that magnitude. In case you didn't already know, doing too many drugs makes you paranoid! Get off the crack pipe!
Tara
Mon, Apr 2 22:58:56 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #46
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I am glad I found this site I think it is good that it is up. THere are alot of people who need to wake up and look at the facts!!! 9/11 was a big hoax for sure!!!!! THERE WAS NO PLANES!!!!! Look at the facts and pictures. Listen to ALex Jones he has alot of information on this as well also Harrythomas does too. Lets get the word out and lets all stand to have a better future!!!!!
ALSO I would like to say I think that RON PAUL IS THE ONE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!
Peace and GOd BLess
dawnrm
DAWNRM
Mon, Mar 19 10:29:21 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #45
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911 Truth and Lies Conference -- This is going to happen folks. The "911 Truth and Lies Conference" will happen this spring and set precedents by being the first with a lie detector test for the speakers and leaders stepping up to be counted.
It is a huge step that many of us see needed to clear our names from the constant aspersions and lies used by agent provocateurs.
http://www.911researchers.com
David Howard
Wed, Feb 28 19:40:52 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #44
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Vox Pop/DKMC • Brooklyn, NY 11218 • 718 940 2084
February 21, 2007
NYC 9/11 Truth Author Sander Hicks to Speak this Weekend in Arizona
Sander Hicks, New York City’s leading author of alternative views of the 9/11 attacks, will be speaking and appearing numerous times at this weekend’s 9/11 Accountability Conference in Chandler, AZ. Hicks is founder of two media companies, author of The Big Wedding, a ground-breaking book on 9/11, and the “punk of publishing” in award-winning 2003 documentary “Horns and Halos.”
More Info on 9/11 Accountability Conference:
The 9/11 Accountability: Strategies and Solutions Conference takes place this weekend, at the Crowne Plaza San Marcos, in Chandler, Arizona, from February 23-25, 2007. Over 350 concerned citizens of Arizona have pre-registered, and many more are expected. More information: http://www.911accountability.org/ 602-714-1174.
CONTACT:
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broder.eric@gmail.com
Associate Publicity Manager
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pixiepollen
, NYC 9/11 Truth Author Sander Hicks to Speak t
Thu, Feb 22 18:54:23 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #43
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http://www.livevideo.com/Ringwind
David Howard
Sat, Feb 10 14:16:53 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #42
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This site is unreal! The sad thing is that some people actually believe this stuff. Yeah, 9/11 was a hoax, along with walking on the Moon and the Holocaust. Oh, and the government has aliens in a vault somewhere in Roswell, too!
How in the world can anyone believe that 9/11 was a hoax, seriously? Our government can't even cover up Clinton getting a BJ in the oval office, but somehow they could flawlessly pull off blowing up the Twin Towers, while simultaneously making it look like Al-Qaeda did it? Who knew? And just where did those airplanes go, anyway? Ya know, the ones that didn't hit the Towers and Pentagon but somehow disappeared anyway? Ya know, the ones that were made of aluminum, which obviously couldn't penetrate steel when it's traveling at 500 mph? Haha, I wonder which physicist on this site came up with that theory. Clearly no science majors in this group.
Also, what about all the families that got phone calls from loved ones in the planes that were being sabotaged, and specifically said they were being hijacked? Was that all a big joke too? Wow, our government really thought this through!
This nothing but far-left paranoia and propaganda, and anyone with a 3rd grade education should be smart enough not to fall for it.
Non-Idiot
Fri, Feb 9 18:29:12 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #41
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Once again we see an obvious straw man. The real 9/11 Truth movement is making so much progress exposing the fact that 9/11 was an inside job, that agents involved must resort to building straw men, like this web site.
It is interesting to note that this was the FIRST hit on a google search for "911 truth message board". I am sure this is by design.
The REAL 911 truth movement will not be derailed bu psy-ops projects like this.
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.
Visit http://www.infowars.com/ and become informed.
P.S. Don't feed the trolls.
Hilary155
, Straw man
Fri, Feb 9 13:19:34 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #40
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www.911hoax.com and www.911researchers.com = 911 Truth
Google Search: The FBI uses polygraphs to eliminate suspects
David Howard
Tue, Jan 16 18:47:50 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #39
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"Please take this site down, it is blatent misinformation. Your arguments are designed to be moronic and turn peoples' opinions..."
if 911truth.org was really a good site for people to visit why the desperate need to have 911hoax.com shut down? there's over 500 911 sites on the Net. why do you fear 911hoax.com so much?
Harry Lime
Fri, Jan 5 06:09:13 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #38
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Please take this site down, it is blatent misinformation. Your arguments are designed to be moronic and turn peoples' opinions. Goto a real site
http://www.911truth.org/
http://www.st911.org/
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1336167662031629480&q=painfull+deceptions
911 truth
Wed, Jan 3 06:18:15 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #37
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Just wanted to get my say since you will undountedly ban me now. Damn!!you Yahoo
mike
Tue, Jan 2 12:11:08 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #36
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Sheesh! You are an idiot.Plain and simple.Nice blurry pics by the way. I guess you think that the loch ness monster is also giving rides to Elvis and Jim Morrison somewhere too. You should lay off the crack pipe, and move to the Middle East, where you would obviously feel more at home. Moron.
mike
Tue, Jan 2 12:08:18 2007 - 12.159.172.165 - message #35
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i admit I am drawn in by this, but how do you explain all of the people who died?
panga
Wed, Dec 20 18:43:36 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #34
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There would not have been attacks on 9/11 or the assassination of JFK, if George Bush Sr. had never been born.
David Howard
Fri, Nov 3 13:46:01 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #33
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wow, this site is finally back up. for those who were wondering what happened...the hosting company attacked this site.
this site mentions the fact that the tv news media aired fake video of animated planes hitting the WTC. There is almost no place where this idea can be expressed in public in the US. Just about everywhere the "no planes" idea gets mentioned it gets censored.
recently the former hosting company abruptly took this website down and moved it to another server. It was down for about 3-4 days.
For the next several weeks I kept asking for a backup of the DB. They were moving in super-slow motion. Each time they gave me a backup it wouldn't restore.
well, it took some doing but we're back. these boards are live.
always keep in mind that while days may go by before anyone posts here again, there are always LOTS of eyeballs visiting every night.
someday there may be peace.
admin
Fri, Nov 3 11:27:18 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #32
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Mini H-bomb in basement upwards directed: Finnish Military Expert solves last unclear issue about how 9/11 was executed
For me, this was the only question that was not yet clear. Now it is clear.
Source:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/H-device.htm
Notice that the title is the OPPOSITE of what you can conclude...
BTW, I do remember this Finnish Military Expert from the CNN Kosovo Board, as the Third World War officially begun, 24 March 1999...
http://who-are-the-illuminati.blogspot.com/
Matt Marriott
, Mini H-bomb in basement upwards directed
Sat, Sep 16 19:38:59 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #31
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hi Sane Person. thanks for stopping by. i'll address two of your points.
Quote 1: "First off, an aluminum plane weighing several tons travelling at 500 miles per hour would most certainly be able to penetrate the WTC."
"most certainly" isn't exactly arguing a point.
if a real plane hit the WTC it would resemble the plane that hit the Empire State building decades ago:
http://www.evesmag.com/empirestatebldgcrash.jpg
airplanes are largely made of aluminum. wings are made of fiberglass. there ain't no way an airplane is going to disappear into a steel building without any pieces breaking off.
Quote 2: "First live video was from North" starts out the with the hilarious statement that UA175 was fueled with diesel fuel."
Jet fuel is refined kerosene. Kero burns around 650 Celcius. Steel melts at 2000 degrees Celcius. so, just as a stove doesn't melt when you light a burner on top, so too the Towers would not have melted in their footprints because of kerosene burning in the open air.
Harry Lime
Mon, Sep 11 19:47:52 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #30
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First off, an aluminum plane weighing several tons travelling at 500 miles per hour would most certainly be able to penetrate the WTC. What do you suppose should have happened--should it have bounced off the side of the building? (I don't know if you were too high to notice this or not, but there was a lot of glass on the side of the buildings, too.)
Your "did CNN air fake video" page is what really got me. Your points are embarassing to read:
Like points 3 & 4: The "wind" and "weather" reports. You say the reports say the wind was at 300. So the wind was coming from the Northwest, which means it was blowing *from the northwest towards the southeast*. You even bring up the fact the the wind is blowing towards the southeast in your expert photoanalysis--so if the weather report is verifying the photographic evidence, ummm, what's the conspiracy?
A Sane Person
Mon, Sep 11 00:03:27 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #29
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Point 5: "First live video was from North" starts out the with the hilarious statement that UA175 was fueled with diesel fuel. Do you even know what you're talking about? Are you high as a kite? Did I really need to ask? Jet planes do not run on diesel fuel. Trains do, semi-trailers do, planes do not.
You go on to question how somebody could possibly move camera locations in 15 short minutes--um, they got up and moved?--though to my untrained eye, it looks like they just zoomed in a bit. Then you go on to ask where all the buildings in the background are. Last time I checked, the WTC was at the southern tip of Manhattan, and that shot is, as you said, from the North. It probably would be helpful for you to know that these were also the tallest buildings around at the time, and the camera was zoomed in towards the top of them (the flat parts where the sliver of the buildings meet the blue of the sky would be the top there, you see.)
Finally, you ask why the plane is in shadow in the frames where it's approaching the WTC. Take a look at those frames again. Notice the smoke? I'm sure you did, because you pointed out the highlights on them elsewhere. Well, those "highlights" on the smoke are where the sun is shining on it, which, in turn, means that the smoke is blocking the sun from things behind it, a phenonmenon we non-stoners in fact refer to as: a "shadow."
A Sane Person
Mon, Sep 11 00:02:47 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #28
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Damn dude, I really wanted to refute all the points in your site, but it is just so damned big and chock full of all sorts of dumb sh**. You ask why people were filming from the south side instead of from the north after the North tower was hit. Duh, because *that's where they were?* Because they were getting footage of the smoke coming out of that big building they saw to the north of them?
Your "notes" on "banking" are laughable, too. You don't seem to be able to take into account that, from a fixed camera angle, a plane could indeed look like it was headed to the right even when it was banking to the left.
I'm certain your "enemies" at Indymedia and The History Channel are erasing your posts for a good reason--they don't want to be seen giving a venue to ideas as dumb as the ones on this site. I can't say that I blame them.
A Sane Person
Mon, Sep 11 00:02:11 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #27
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Your "hoax" theory is so full of holes that I suggest the only "hoax" is this website. You offer no proof, just statements of fact. Sorry, but saying "the media doctored the footage" doesn't make it a fact. To pull off a hoax of this magnitude would require thousands of people and months if not years of planning. Yet you don't have a single person who has stepped forward to say they were involved. As for doctoring footage, it would take dozens of FX wizards a month or so of pre-planning, and at least a week from the time of the event to composite planes into all footage. It's impossible to pull off within minutes of the attacks, from multiple angles no less. And that assumes that they got hold of EVERY bit of footage taken of the event. SOMEONE would have home video of the second tower exploding sans plane if indeed there was no plane. Tens of thousands of witnesses watched planes fly into buildings. Or are they part of it? And controlled demolition? It takes teams of experts months to prep buildings for that level of demo. No one in the THREE buildings noticed the teams tearing walls out and setting charges? No one tripped on the MILES of wires it would require? The list is growing. And the airlines? Where are the planes? Are they in on it too? One person. Produce ONE. Until then, your theories are ridiculous. The burden of proof is on you to PROVE your theories, not just make irresponsible claims. Or, is this the real hoax?
apj1966
Sun, Sep 10 20:56:53 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #26
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Regardless of speculation about the 911 attack, we need to focus on what we know for sure. The administration had already planned the invasion of Iraq to achieve its political and financial goals. Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were always bitter enemies and not partners in the 911 attack. The al Q sought to overthrow Hussein and start a civil war in Iraq. What we had on 9/11/01 was a situation of America trapped between enemies without and within. We could have struck the al Q at known positions in Afghanistan but this would have defeated the goals of Bush and Cheney. It is absolute fact that the administration ignored countless reports from the FBI, the CIA and global intelligence because they knew an attack on opur United States would give them the ability to manipulate our patriotism and the press. Bush subordinates John Pondexter and Paul Wolfkowitz, former bin Laden allies from the Reagan administration (where we unlawfully supported the al Q against Soviet backed armies) were observed smiling after the attack because they knew the administration would totally benefit from this. We must be the eye of a growing internet hurricane that will launch American Revolution 2 and bing us to direct democracy, national mandates and 24/7 online control of our progressive and compassionate destiny. Join the American Coalition 4 Direct Democracy (a concept not a group) and follow our developing third party coalition. You be da boss now!
Doug Johnson
, American Revolution Two
Sun, Aug 13 16:06:05 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #25
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Hoax - I guess the world is flat too. Don't believe everything you think you see. It really happened, get over it.
rogerbacon
Wed, Jul 26 11:40:03 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #24
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Goodbye, Anton
Admin
Mon, Jun 26 21:17:18 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #22
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I just registered as a new member of this site which I discovered accidently while surfing the net.
Let me make sure I have this right: am I correct that there are people who are seriously posting comments on this site stating that 911 was a hoax?
If this is true, then what I say is dircted at YOU, i.e., the person who really believes this and is not joking I do not expect you to change your opinion. Your mental illness prevents you from doing that. Suffice it to say that you are truly sick. A convicted rapist has more integrity and intellectual honesty than you. Part of me laughs at you, part of me feels sad for you.
There has to be a God because only a devine force could keep stupid people like you alive for so long after being born.
Anton
anton
Mon, Jun 26 20:18:52 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #21
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I heard this song called "Iraq" by a musician from San Diego, CA by the name of TIMZ. The song sent chills throughout my body. His words are so powerful and they convey my exact feelings. Hear it for yourself at: Just click play song, you can even download it from this site.
http://www.thebeat.fm/jamroom/bands/56/
George Bush, I hope you are listening.
vig
Wed, Jun 21 17:19:50 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #20
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The strange projectiles, seen flying from the WTC, are supposed to be pieces of metal melted by the Thermite used for the WTC demolition. Also doesn't anyone remember the interview on 20/20, Nightline, or 60 minutes, I don't remember which, where about 7 NYC FBI agents retired in protest. They stated that they "had" the same 16 hijackers about 5 years before 9/11. They were not allowed to pursue the investigation, on these suspects. The orders to "cease and desist" were coming from the White House. These interviews took place about 4-5 months after 9/11. By the way, I have a copy of the transcripts, of an interview with Donald Rumsfeld, where he admits that the Pentagon was hit by a missle. If anybody wants a copy email me and I will send you a copy, ASAP. Take Care and
ROGUE22
Sat, Jun 10 19:18:15 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #19
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1. There was no plane debris at the Pentagon.
Cover-up: none. "Witnesses" and an old piece of metal was the package used to make sure that people get the message "It was an inside job", as part of the truth planted to terrorise you.
Web of disinformation: some (rense, whatreallyhappened.com, etc) go as far as to try to cover-up what was meant to be obvious, since that helps people to swallow the core lie.
Matt Marriott
, 9/11 for dummies - The Five Basic Facts, -1
Thu, May 18 07:33:11 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #18
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Aluminum planes CAN enter buildings. The World Trade Centers were NOT made of steel on the outside, but concrete. The inside was made of ASTM-E119, a super high-grade steel. Let's think like you for a second. What do you think would have happened if a plane going at 300 MPH hit the strongest building in New York City?
Aquarillis
Sat, Apr 29 20:08:55 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #16
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you know what i kinda find funny...on show biz tongight when they ask the audience about 9/11 anda u.s cover up the people that believe the government dont even give facts they just call us insane. That is saying a lot because that basically saying they have no facts behind what they are saying
iagainsti
Fri, Mar 31 11:43:24 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #15
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George (Flipper) Bush is a disgrace to the american people, he used his powers as flipper-in chief to destroy a country for his own personal revenge. He is killing American soldiers daily, and innocent Iraqi citizen's becaus Saddam tried to kill his daddy in 1991 Golf War, and said in his demented speech that GOD told him to do it. The time is now to take him, and his puppet Tricky Dicky out of office, Vote to Impeach PuppetMaster Bush, before this country losses the respect it has in the world.
ImpeachDaPuppetMaster
Wed, Jan 4 21:10:32 2006 - 12.159.172.165 - message #14
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Hey John, interesting link from CNN. It is amazing how casual they are over the five frames the Pentagon released. Like the Pentagon, the most heavily surveilled corridor in the world, can't produce more than five still photos of the Boeing which strikes it.
regards,
Harry
Harry Lime
, Why only Five Frames?
Tue, Feb 1 20:58:43 2005 - 12.159.172.165 - message #13
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CNN admits an airplane Did Not hit the Pentagon on 9-11 !!
This is a copy of a letter I wrote to the editor of CNN's web site division.
Please see the link for yourself :-)
The website is about the pictures the DoD released of the so called plane hitting the Pentagon.
Dear Editor,
This story starts with this statement:
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Department of Defense on Thursday released a series of photos taken by a security camera that show the fireball from a hijacked airliner crashing into the Pentagon on September 11."
You see, here is More Proof an Airplane did Not crash into the Pentagon. By this stories own words, a Fireball crashed into the Pentagon. I agree with this.
Fireball in this sentence, Is the SUBJECT. Also, please put a comma, after the word 'airliner'.
O.k., Now that I have proven the truth of this disaster, and the truth that I have better journalism skills than the writer of this story, may I have a job? <grin>
John Phoenix
JohnPhoenix
, Plane didn't hit Pentagon
Tue, Feb 1 17:03:26 2005 - 12.159.172.165 - message #12
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i never get tired of watching "flight 175" enter the South Tower like a knife through butter.
Harry Lime
, Boeing Butter
Mon, Dec 13 20:31:58 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #11
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a discussion of the "no planes theory".
Harry Lime
, Media Hoax Theory
Sun, Nov 7 18:53:56 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #10
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Great article by Stan Smith about 911.
Harry Lime
, Stan Smith on 911 Truth
Sun, Nov 7 18:35:00 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #9
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From Chappaquiddick to New York and Washington : Through Oklahoma City
Patrick McNally
Format ISBN Price
Paperback (6x9) 1418484539 $17.75
Dust Jacket Hardcover (6x9) 1418484520 $28.50
About the Book
This book starts the process of tying together scattered threads, which run from the Chappaquiddick ‘accident’ up to the bombings of the Murrah Building and World Trade Towers. Where the evidence indicates varying possibilities this is pointed out, but without blandly burying the issue of ‘what happened’ under a philosophical cover.
About the Author
The author’s formal academic training has been in mathematics. As a teenager the author picked up an enthusiasm for voracious reading on the side, outside of any formal academic training, yet supplementing the latter
Free Preview
This point about the “controlled demolition” pattern which was followed, not only by the North and South towers of the World Trade Center, but also identically by Building 7, which was never claimed to have been hit by any plane, is worth comparing, for example, with photos of Hamburg in July 1943. The firestorms which hit this city were much more devastating than anything which could have been created by two jetliners crashing. Yet, even here, the pattern which shows through, from aerial and ground photos taken after the bombing, is one of long rows of building shells surviving and standing, though horribly gutted out. The claim that two American jetliners would have accomplished a more thorough leveling to the ground of three distinct Trade Tower buildings than the RAF and USAAF were able to accomplish in Hamburg is absurd.
PatrickSMcNally
, click here
Wed, Jul 28 09:05:18 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #8
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Democracy Now! has agreed to have David Ray Griffen appear. 
Took them long enough though.
Harry Lime
Sat, May 15 15:24:04 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #7
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Please join this highly important campaign to get Democracy Now! to have author David Ray Griffin appear. Thanks.
Harry Lime
, Waking Amy
Mon, Apr 19 19:09:20 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #6
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Louis Freeh and the VanPac Case... It was Murder at
the highest level !
On the day Judge Robert Vance was murdered Louis Freeh
was an unknown prosecutor in the state of New York.
Three years later Louis Freeh was director of the FBI.
Although Vance's caseload was 60% drug related, the
FBI, the agency that never communicates with the CIA,
immediately responded "drugs were no more prominent
than several other avenues we are following". But
Vance had been preparing to hear a series of cases,
all pointing to the CIA as a major source of
Cocaine... and Vance had a reputation for absolute and
dogmatic honesty. The FBI soon "discovered" from the
records of Vance's prior trials that the bombs were
EXACT duplicates of bombs Walter Leroy Moody had sent
years earlier. Supposedly, Moody had painted both
cardboard box bombs interiors with black paint, used
the exact same welded end caps etc etc... Supposedly
Moody must have been rather stupid and not known the
bombs would point directly to him like a Neon sign.
But Moody did not know how to weld. Ted Banks was
accused of doing the welding.... a deal was struck to
pin it all on Moody. A conviction was secured and the
case drifted into history.
Then it all unraveled.
In Federal Appeals court counterfeiter turned patriot
Ted Banks blew the whistle on then Assistant U.S.
Atty. Louis Freeh. Patriot Banks accepted a ten year
addition to his sentence as the price of telling the
truth. He pointed at Freeh from the stand and said "I
lied and he told me to Lie, I never welded no bombs
for Moody". Then FBI agent Whitehurst charged the FBI
had fabricated evidence, ... then the Vance bomb was
identified in the Unabom case as originating from
Saratoga California.... then the world court threw out
the Lockerby conviction cause FBI agent J Thomas
Thurman could not be trusted...because he was not
credible in their eyes after his role in the Vance
debacle... and the US press is still silent.
The site, Unabombers.com, provides insights into the
activities of the FBI/CIA pre September 11th 2001.
Activities that include the manufacture and management
of a series of high profile, random terrorist events
and selective assassinations. The facts have been
covered up, despite a wide trail of undeniable proof
and multiple witnesses.
They are presented at http://www.unabombers.com/
Hopefully some day they will erect a statue to Ted
Banks just like the one they erected to Nathan Hale at
yale...the same pose would be appropriate since they
both did essentially the same thing. I would like to
suggest an inscription for that day and that statue
...
"His currency was counterfeit but his character was
not !"
[url]http://www.unabombers.com/[/url]
DanPride
, click here
Tue, Apr 13 02:39:18 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #5
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MSNBC was asking people to submit questions the 911 Coverup Committee could ask Condi. Here's what I sent them:
"Reports from the New York Times and other New York media sources confirm that the WTC rubble was removed (i.e., actually sold for scrap) prior to it being thoroughly inspected by qualified investigators. What role did you play in authorizing the removal of the WTC rubble?"
Harry Lime
, MSNBC
Thu, Apr 8 06:28:53 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #4
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9/11 is the conclusion of a series of state sponsored terrorism events aimed at taking over the government. They made the most mistakes early on the the process, and that is a good place to look for evidence of what is really going on. Unabom is the start of the path that leads to 9/11 and the Iraq war. Its the same players all the way through...guys like Agent J. Thomas Thurman, Henry Murray, or even Donald Rumsfeld. Unabombers.com provides insights into the activities of the FBI/CIA pre September 11th 2001. Activities that include the manufacture and management of a series of high profile, random terrorist events and selective assassinations. It is a worthwhile read.
http://www.unabombers.com/
DanPride
, Pre 9/11 Events
Tue, Mar 30 09:20:26 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #3
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911 is a subject of passionate research of mine.
Harry Lime
Sun, Mar 28 19:12:50 2004 - 12.159.172.165 - message #2
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